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Meanwhile the "environmentalists" can't see the bigger picture, the pollution will just move elsewhere while on aggregate the developed world's standard of living quickly erodes, but don't let the bigger picture get in the way of your "principles".No one of importance really gives a flying fuck about "pollution" the depleted uranium they have dropped by the millions of tonnes in Iraq, Kosovo and Afghanistan also, but nope, gotta have your feel good factor. It will feel good when you hear of ten million green jobs being created, you won't care about the 30 million jobs lost as a result because you are captain planet!And so the new religion is birthed
Quote from: virtuoso on November 04, 2010, 01:34:15 PMMeanwhile the "environmentalists" can't see the bigger picture, the pollution will just move elsewhere while on aggregate the developed world's standard of living quickly erodes, but don't let the bigger picture get in the way of your "principles".No one of importance really gives a flying fuck about "pollution" the depleted uranium they have dropped by the millions of tonnes in Iraq, Kosovo and Afghanistan also, but nope, gotta have your feel good factor. It will feel good when you hear of ten million green jobs being created, you won't care about the 30 million jobs lost as a result because you are captain planet!And so the new religion is birthedI don't give a fuck about other places, I give a fuck about where I live. Go ahead and put quotation marks over pollution like if it's myth, there are motherfuckers dying with cancer along the 710 corridor in Long Beach/L.A.. Oh wait, it's just a coincidence I'm sure that there is a higher concentration of cancer in that area than in the rest of the state based on pure randomness. Go ahead and make fun of these people, with your "witty" remarks about Captain Planet, it's not changing my beliefs about where I live. This is my fucking house.
Quote from: Javier on November 04, 2010, 01:41:46 PMQuote from: virtuoso on November 04, 2010, 01:34:15 PMMeanwhile the "environmentalists" can't see the bigger picture, the pollution will just move elsewhere while on aggregate the developed world's standard of living quickly erodes, but don't let the bigger picture get in the way of your "principles".No one of importance really gives a flying fuck about "pollution" the depleted uranium they have dropped by the millions of tonnes in Iraq, Kosovo and Afghanistan also, but nope, gotta have your feel good factor. It will feel good when you hear of ten million green jobs being created, you won't care about the 30 million jobs lost as a result because you are captain planet!And so the new religion is birthedI don't give a fuck about other places, I give a fuck about where I live. Go ahead and put quotation marks over pollution like if it's myth, there are motherfuckers dying with cancer along the 710 corridor in Long Beach/L.A.. Oh wait, it's just a coincidence I'm sure that there is a higher concentration of cancer in that area than in the rest of the state based on pure randomness. Go ahead and make fun of these people, with your "witty" remarks about Captain Planet, it's not changing my beliefs about where I live. This is my fucking house. Cancer rates are 1 in 3, because of the synthetic crap you digest, the radiation around you and the CRAP they put in the water supplies, there is of course the sulphur and all that good stuff, but if it's not in your back yard the prevailing winds carry it to you.Oh and ah yes, the small matter of depleted uranium being dropped like confetti!Don't you get how marketing works? you use the most striking examples to sell your product, in this case, it's about some genuinely bad cases which sell the case of shutting everything down bar the few.
Bad economic times are exactly the right time to make regulations stricter and force this technology to be implemented because if these things were done during good times the corporations would still complain and say "this'll cause a slowdown, can't we wait some more?".We can't wait anymore. We have the technology and the knowledge to replace fossil fuel already, it's just a matter of forcing the cheapass corporations to make the initial buys to create an economy-of-scale and bring the technology into wide use. You may not know this, cars between 1910 and 1922 were all-electric, it wasn't til the mid-20s that gasoline became cheaper than electricity thanks to the Saudi oil fields being drilled.We need to create a system to pay Californians well if they generate extra electricity and the state should also loan money to homeowners to buy American solar panels or to fix up their homes for conservation. Both those things would circulate money in the economy and create jobs for the construction industry, while saving electricity and creating a market for solar energy. Also, they should require both conservation technology and solar technology in all future buildings via building codes because recently an MIT lab developed solar tech that you can literally paint on a building so that the entire part of said building that gets sunlight can be used to produce energy. Combine that with wireless electricity and continue to develop the technology and we could make fossil fuels unnecessary. Fuck the oil and coal corporations. Since the 1970s they've bought the rights to these technologies to hold the patent and prevent them from being produced to protect their ill-gotten monopoly.
There are local environmental issues throughout the world, if these local issues are being deal with the support of the local community...why should outsiders give a fuck? Mind your own god damn business.
That is why I used the term naivety, you are right, the environmentalist movement is big, many genuine concerns, but it's being steered. I remember when environmentalists were concerned about GM foods, rightly so to, but then along came the cries of the sky is falling save the earth from carbon emissions and suddenly the majority switched completely off this issue. I illustrated the point before, false arguments are used to nullify, like "oh the oil corporations love the sound of your language" when they LOVE "your" language for the very point I have mentioned above. I never said that environmentalists intentionally want to hurt themselves or others or intentionally collude, but merely that people are being swept along by the latest craze and that, if it wasn't in the interests of the special interests, then there would be no funding for these things, they would register, sure as outrage, but muted outrage, ignored by the media and the mainstream as a whole.
I'm an environmentalist. You want to take a look at added cost to business, well I'm taking a look at added cost to the environment. It's much more severe in the long run. The LAO couldn't even accurate report the pros and cons to Prop 23, they're just a bunch of vague beliefs for both sides.