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There's really no need 4 Tha Dogg Pound to try 2 get back into tha limelight like that at this point in their career (even tho I would addimently support it). I think them niggaz are more concerned with getting old and getting fat at this point and raising grand babies lol (they deserve it).
and they've got "secure" money ("just makin it money 4 tha rest of my life" money or "i'm eatin straight til I die" money). dont think so..
I'm not even going to go back and forth with you on the other shit because everyone who watched MTV back then saw "We Can Freak It" allover MTV and I remember myself seeing Kurupt on there with his former girl doing "It's Over" and the video was on MTV and so was "Behind The Walls." Also, I remember "The Streetz Iz A Mutha" 1 or 2 tracks getting spins on the radio right around the Up In Smoke era. To say Kurupt wasn't mainstream is senseless -- dude was mainstream in every sense of the word mainstream.
love33 not understand that there are artists who do not care to make tons of money to see their songs being played on Hot 97, Power 106, your videos on MTV, VH1 or BET, be top of the Billboard and etc ...
Quote from: love33 on December 04, 2010, 07:38:03 AMI'm not even going to go back and forth with you on the other shit because everyone who watched MTV back then saw "We Can Freak It" allover MTV and I remember myself seeing Kurupt on there with his former girl doing "It's Over" and the video was on MTV and so was "Behind The Walls." Also, I remember "The Streetz Iz A Mutha" 1 or 2 tracks getting spins on the radio right around the Up In Smoke era. To say Kurupt wasn't mainstream is senseless -- dude was mainstream in every sense of the word mainstream. Well, whether or not you choose to "go back and forth" with me is on you but just because something gets spins on the radio or plays on a video network doesn't always make it a "mainstream hit". Kurupt did have a huge following in hip-hop at that time but he wasn't mainstream in the sense that he had crossed over to a pop audience like Xzibit. Real hip-hop heads fucking loved Kurupt back then but he wasn't a big radio/video star.
Why don't they rap like they did on "On tha Grind" or "What Would U Do"?? Daz needs to change his voice back to the first Dogg pound album and get it goin again. Daz doesn't have the studio cause he's broke and so is Kurupt he claimed bankruptcy. Nobody is buyin those side projects he's droppin they have no promotion and it costs big money to stamp out a cd that sits on the shelves cause people who do want it bootleg it.
"It's Over" and "We Can Freak It" were 'pop' in every sense of the word you defined it. Now Streetz iz A Mutha was a raw.
Who "wouldn't" want to sell millions of records and make millions of dollars and have millions of fans or would you rather be an artist who nobody listens to and makes internet tracks and has no album sales? Ask any artist that and they will tell you they want the money. Every artist is shooting to be at the top, they aren't trying to be third or fourth place. That cracks me up when fans make excuses for their artist losing and say "oh <insert rappers name> ain't tryin to be mainstream he's just tryin to please his real fanbase." Eminem pleases his fanbase and sells millions of records. DMX used to be himself and sell millions on all his releases. I get a laugh out of that. That's like sayin "oh the Lakers should just go play .500 ball cause they already won a couple championships and that's good enough." Same Difference. Everyone wants to sell millions, be on the radio (radio gives more t-shirt revenue and increases exposure which means more concert tickets) then you make the Itunes $money$$ off those 0.99 cent tracks -- now what artist is goin to say they don't wanna sell records and make paper? get out of here with that lame excuse for these guys tankin their careers.
Explain how defined it because I’m a little confused here. And neither of those songs, despite their intentions, crossed over, so I’m gonna stand by my original opinion.
How does one change their voice back? I’ve heard of switching flows but generally speaking, if you don’t vocally sound the same over time, there ain’t much you can do about it. It’s like asking for somebody not to age.
Even Dr. Dre fell back from all of that rappin' he used to do and appearing on records (u can count on 1 hand how many verses tha nigga has done in tha past decade).
This Kurupt video is what you were referring to as 'pop' earlier...try to even make it through this whole video without getting a laugh, i remember when they rotated it on TRL
The technology is so good now you can pretty much adjust the pitch and tempo with the voice, I mean look at how Drake does it all the time. Snoop's verse on the "Kush" track reminds me of a 92 Snoop the way Dre tweaked the tempo of his voice and adjusted the pitch.
E-40 and Too Short drop hit records from time to time that the masses loves to hear.
Here we go again…Quote from: love33 on December 02, 2010, 10:55:14 AM Now Daz was going to drop a classic on So So Def and most of the material was legit but he went behind Jermaine Dupri's back and dropped an indy album so JD couldn't establish his buzz with that indy album sitting on the shelves so JD just dropped the album with no promotion and let Daz off his contract. Incorrect. Daz signed with Dupri back in 2003. Between then and when So So Gangsta dropped in 2006, he dropped three solo albums, an extended LP re-release of an EP, and several other indy projects with his name attached. He did not go behind Dupri’s back. If Dupri had an exclusive contract with Daz as a solo artist, these releases would have been a violation of the contract and could be used as an excuse to either sue Daz, block the unauthorized albums from being released, or have him dropped from the label. Your theory makes no logical sense. For JD to invest money into having the album released but intentionally cutting the promotion because he’s soar at Daz doesn’t work. He’s not gonna fuck up his own money just to spite his artist. Neither Dupri or the record companies are suckers enough to let Daz fuck them on points for four projects. Daz’s explanation at the time was that he only had a one-album deal on So So Def, which would explain why they waited all that time and continued to let him release projects through his own independent label. Given how things played out, this would seem to be the case. Quote from: love33 on December 02, 2010, 07:59:47 PMAre you kiddin me? Kurupt was the big talk of Doggystyle with his verses and Dogg Pound "Dogg Food" was a huge mainstream album. Everything Death Row was doing in that time was huge. Dogg Pound had built a strong following as being not only part of the label but as being Snoop’s clique. They were selling off the strength of that. Not unlike how members of G-Unit blew up off of how hot 50 Cent was in 2003-05. Quote from: love33 on December 02, 2010, 07:59:47 PM Kurupt had a huge video and everything with "We Can Freak It" and he had "It's Over" all over MTV off Space Boogie and he had "Where I Wanna Be" video rotating with Shade Sheist, and he had "Behind The Walls" on MTV in full rotation with Nate Dogg. All those were mainstream hits. No, they were most certainly not. You have a hazy recollection of that time period, homie. This was literally at the height of my love for Kurupt music when I was preaching about him to everyone I knew and while they occasionally showed “It’s Over” and “Behind the Walls” on Direct Effect (MTV’s rap music program that aired after TRL), neither one was ever in regular rotation as a requested video. They were being pushed but they weren’t consistently part of the video countdown. I know because I would tape that show quite frequently hoping to get the “It’s Over” video after I saw it and they never played it so FULL ROTATION is a bit of an overstatement. Quote from: love33 on December 02, 2010, 07:59:47 PMDaz's last hit was "Party People" ft. Jagged Edge which was supposed to be on 'So So Gangsta' and it didn't make the final album, the song was a huge radio hit but Daz never got to reap the longterm benefits due to his fallout with Jermaine Dupri. Once again, you’re incorrect. It wasn’t a huge radio hit. It dropped in summer 2003 with limited airplay. I don’t even think it got a single spin in any North East markets. There was no fallout with JD. He popped up in the video for “Tipsy” with the rest of the roster, less than a year later. Quote from: love33 on December 02, 2010, 08:08:28 PMFunny how Snoop, Too Short, E-40, Dr. Dre, and Game can make hits in any era of music and all these other rappers got a list of excuses Game can make hits in any era? His discography of albums only spans about three years and change. In that time, his returns have diminished significantly on each album. He’s a popular rapper whose loyal fanbase has kept him relevant. You seemed to have that confused with being a record-breaking chart-topper who drops nothing but #1 hits. Again, you seem to have trouble shaking the idea that your local market is the pulse of the national music scene. You think because a DJ at a club you frequent plays a song and people love it that that means it’s a national hit. There’s a level of delusion there. Of the artists you named the only one that can tour nationally and pull stadium and arena venues in nearly every market as a headliner is Dr. Dre. He’s the only one doing sell-out shows at major venues and to be fair, that was 10 years ago but I’d say given the level of impact he’s had and the interest he’s still able to generate, he could do equal or better if he decides to take “Detox” on tour.
Now Daz was going to drop a classic on So So Def and most of the material was legit but he went behind Jermaine Dupri's back and dropped an indy album so JD couldn't establish his buzz with that indy album sitting on the shelves so JD just dropped the album with no promotion and let Daz off his contract.
Are you kiddin me? Kurupt was the big talk of Doggystyle with his verses and Dogg Pound "Dogg Food" was a huge mainstream album.
Kurupt had a huge video and everything with "We Can Freak It" and he had "It's Over" all over MTV off Space Boogie and he had "Where I Wanna Be" video rotating with Shade Sheist, and he had "Behind The Walls" on MTV in full rotation with Nate Dogg. All those were mainstream hits.
Daz's last hit was "Party People" ft. Jagged Edge which was supposed to be on 'So So Gangsta' and it didn't make the final album, the song was a huge radio hit but Daz never got to reap the longterm benefits due to his fallout with Jermaine Dupri.
Funny how Snoop, Too Short, E-40, Dr. Dre, and Game can make hits in any era of music and all these other rappers got a list of excuses
Quote from: Jimmy H. on December 03, 2010, 12:26:51 PMQuote from: OG Will_B on December 03, 2010, 09:58:22 AMI don't want to stir this up but I did read on Daz's own site that Nate wouldn't let him use his tracks on So So Gangsta because Daz owed him $50,000 for hooks. Not sure if that's why 'Boyz N Da Hood' didn't make the cut, perhaps they got sorted (or that never should've made the news back then anyway) by the time of release and there was another reason behind it. A Nate track would've been potentially massive. Think you might have that mixed up from when Kronik, the guy who ran his site at the time, fielded a question about why Nate wasn't working with Daz and he made some comment about Nate wanting 50 G'z. I believe it was in 2003-04 because it was when 50 Cent came out and a lot of people on the forum mistakenly interpreted it as Nate wasn't working with Daz because of 50 Cent. Quote from: OG Will_B on December 03, 2010, 09:58:22 AM Yeah but I gotta pull you on somethin, there was a fallout because Daz sent a bit Fucc U to JD on his Makaveli & Dillinger 2 tape last year. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I'd like to know why that was anyway. News to me but that still wouldn't indicate a fallout when he was actually on the label and making the record. You're probably right bout that first bit mate - I'll try and dig for the comment anyway as it's of interest Check out that Mixtape it's floatin round online. Shame JD never did an interview talking bout any beef or whatever?@imsohappy, what's the second version of So So Gangsta you mention? You mean that 'So So Unreleased' bootleg or one of the Sampler EP's that came out??
Quote from: OG Will_B on December 03, 2010, 09:58:22 AMI don't want to stir this up but I did read on Daz's own site that Nate wouldn't let him use his tracks on So So Gangsta because Daz owed him $50,000 for hooks. Not sure if that's why 'Boyz N Da Hood' didn't make the cut, perhaps they got sorted (or that never should've made the news back then anyway) by the time of release and there was another reason behind it. A Nate track would've been potentially massive. Think you might have that mixed up from when Kronik, the guy who ran his site at the time, fielded a question about why Nate wasn't working with Daz and he made some comment about Nate wanting 50 G'z. I believe it was in 2003-04 because it was when 50 Cent came out and a lot of people on the forum mistakenly interpreted it as Nate wasn't working with Daz because of 50 Cent. Quote from: OG Will_B on December 03, 2010, 09:58:22 AM Yeah but I gotta pull you on somethin, there was a fallout because Daz sent a bit Fucc U to JD on his Makaveli & Dillinger 2 tape last year. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I'd like to know why that was anyway. News to me but that still wouldn't indicate a fallout when he was actually on the label and making the record.
I don't want to stir this up but I did read on Daz's own site that Nate wouldn't let him use his tracks on So So Gangsta because Daz owed him $50,000 for hooks. Not sure if that's why 'Boyz N Da Hood' didn't make the cut, perhaps they got sorted (or that never should've made the news back then anyway) by the time of release and there was another reason behind it. A Nate track would've been potentially massive.
Yeah but I gotta pull you on somethin, there was a fallout because Daz sent a bit Fucc U to JD on his Makaveli & Dillinger 2 tape last year. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I'd like to know why that was anyway.