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Pats laying the smacketh down
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--- Quote from: white Boy on December 07, 2010, 07:20:35 PM ---^ since you mentioned vick & kolb, i wanted to get your opinion on kolb in general.
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I think he can still become a solid starter. Depending on how the year ends up my guess is he'll be traded, but with his one year price tag on 2011 (if there's a season) they may have to wait until the end of next year. So I'm thinking he'll stay in Philly until the end of next year and only stay after that if Vick gets injured along the way. After that he'll be cut and depending on where he goes he could start again. Arizona may very well trade for him this year. I'd watch where Mcdaniels goes because he may end up taking Orton with him, and that could lead Kolb to Denver. McNabb may be gone from Washington soon the way thijngs are going so who knows if Kolb bumps him twice in a career. San Fran would def take a shot on him but they'd need a brand new offensive C to make Kolb good there. There are plenty of teams that would take him and give a shot to compete as a starter. He has potential but he's definitely a system guy right now.
And Daygo - If I met Brady I'd shake his hand and wait for him to personally lose my respect before I hated him. Of course one of the first things I'd say to him would be you're not in Manning's league and on the Colts you'd have last 6 games and that might piss him off but that's not personal. I hate his praise with a passion though. I don't like Kobe but I understand the praise. When I hear people defend Brady being as good as Manning or even close I feel like I'm in the twilight zone. I don't see the talent at the level others do. I'm sorry.
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I think he's defintely one of the best QB's over the last decade. But i agree he doesnt compare to Manning. I would DEFINITELY take Rodgers over Brady as well.
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I don't think I could name 5 QBs in the last ten years that I felt were better than Brady over the course of the ten years, but I think that says more about the NFL than it does about Brady. No one is patient anymore. They drop QBs and HCs like hot potatoes. They want QBs to come in and excel right away and when it doesn't happen they blame the coach and fire everyone.
If I go back to the decade prior and see Jim Kelly, Dan Marino, Steve Young, Troy Aikman, John Elway and Brett Favre. Right away I can name 6 QBs that played on there teams for almost the whole ten years of the decade none of those teams would be as good with Brady except maybe the Cowboys. Warren Moon is another QB on a team Brady would have had trouble on.
As far as QBs now I think would be better for the Raiders than Brady; Manning, Rodgers, Vick, Roth ( just because of his legs), and maybe that's it. Other QBs I'd think could do as good as Brady on Oakland are Brees, Rivers, McNabb, and maybe Matt Ryan if he finishes well this year. Every other QB would have to come with the right OC to do anything. What I mean is Cassel and Wies or Orton and McDaniels, Cutler and Martz. Now Brees and Payton would put them above just Brady but not Brady/McDaniels. Brady/McDaniels might be second only to Manning. Now if they got Brady/McDaniels/Scarnecchia that might be the best bet next to Peyton and Gruden which I still think needs to happen because that would be a combo so viscous the NFL would have to separate them. Just imagine if the Bucs traded Dungy for Manning the same year Gruden got there. That's a 3peat waiting to happen.
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Of the 6 QBs you named at the beginning. Marino and Elway...amazing. Jim Kelly was great too, and even Favre (as much as I never really liked him, the guys arm is ridiculous). Young and Aikman IMO were products of their system. Very similar to Brady. Not that Young played like Brady. But Young took over after Joe Montana in a system that he excelled in as well. Aikman is very similar to Brady to me. Very accurate. Good game manager. In the right system, he can be the perfect fit. But I dont see him as just that pure natural talent at QB the way I see Marino...Elway...Manning...or even Moon like you mentioned. Warren is one of the most underrated QB's ever.
As far as me saying Id take Rodgers. I wasnt just talking about the Raiders. I was saying, I think Rodgers is a better QB than Brady. Dude is fuckin amazing. Think about what Manning has gone through this year with injuries and look at Rodgers. Very similar. Lost his starting tight end for the season (who is one of the best in the league). Then lost his backup tight end. Lost his starting running back for the season and has had virtually no running game all year. Lost Driver who is his #2 WR for part of the season. Offensive line hasnt been that great for the last few years. Comibine that with no running game, Im surprised he is alive still.
Shallow:
I agree about Young and Aikman, I just think at least Young still has more natural talent and would excel greater, if only for his legs added to his pass game. Steve Young in his prime on the 2000s Pats would have won the 3 SBs they won and have closed out the 07 season with a win. Aikman maybe not. But they'd still have won the three they did.
I can't really compare the situation Rodgers has with Manning. Yeah they both lost runners and safety blankets, but Rodgers still an offensive stud as HC, a great defense, and a huge home advantage stadium. Greg Jennings is as good as anyone WR on the Colts. But Donald Driver is a bigger playmaker than anyone Peyton's had since Faulk. All I'm saying Indy gets worse with Rodgers while GB gets better with Peyton. And neither by just a small margin.
I can't think of a QB that could handle the Indy situation and still be in contention. Even guys like Vick and Roth buying time means nothing when the WRs don't get open or fight for their spots. Vick would end up with a lot of rush yard though, but a lot of sore bones and get beaten up bad by the end. They have to win out to get in, but they're dead once they get in. To win a playoff game they're going to have to rely on mistake after mistake by the other team, and that won't happen 3 times. They can beat the NFC if they make it to the Bowl, but they'll never get there.
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--- Quote from: Shallow on December 09, 2010, 06:34:15 AM ---I agree about Young and Aikman, I just think at least Young still has more natural talent and would excel greater, if only for his legs added to his pass game. Steve Young in his prime on the 2000s Pats would have won the 3 SBs they won and have closed out the 07 season with a win. Aikman maybe not. But they'd still have won the three they did.
I can't really compare the situation Rodgers has with Manning. Yeah they both lost runners and safety blankets, but Rodgers still an offensive stud as HC, a great defense, and a huge home advantage stadium. Greg Jennings is as good as anyone WR on the Colts. But Donald Driver is a bigger playmaker than anyone Peyton's had since Faulk. All I'm saying Indy gets worse with Rodgers while GB gets better with Peyton. And neither by just a small margin.
I can't think of a QB that could handle the Indy situation and still be in contention. Even guys like Vick and Roth buying time means nothing when the WRs don't get open or fight for their spots. Vick would end up with a lot of rush yard though, but a lot of sore bones and get beaten up bad by the end. They have to win out to get in, but they're dead once they get in. To win a playoff game they're going to have to rely on mistake after mistake by the other team, and that won't happen 3 times. They can beat the NFC if they make it to the Bowl, but they'll never get there.
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I dunno. The last two years Ive had Rodgers as my fantasy QB...so its made me watch most of his games. He's ridiculous. The way he has played these last 2 years (really 3 years), have been as good as Ive seen in a while. Especially with the amount of hits he has always taken. Ive always thought Peyton was the best QB of this era. But its tough for me to say anyone is definetely better than Rodgers right now. The argument can be made. But its close. If Peyton is #1, than Id have to put Rodgers #2, and they have to be pretty close to be 1 and 2 at the moment.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on December 10, 2010, 08:50:40 AM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on December 09, 2010, 06:34:15 AM ---I agree about Young and Aikman, I just think at least Young still has more natural talent and would excel greater, if only for his legs added to his pass game. Steve Young in his prime on the 2000s Pats would have won the 3 SBs they won and have closed out the 07 season with a win. Aikman maybe not. But they'd still have won the three they did.
I can't really compare the situation Rodgers has with Manning. Yeah they both lost runners and safety blankets, but Rodgers still an offensive stud as HC, a great defense, and a huge home advantage stadium. Greg Jennings is as good as anyone WR on the Colts. But Donald Driver is a bigger playmaker than anyone Peyton's had since Faulk. All I'm saying Indy gets worse with Rodgers while GB gets better with Peyton. And neither by just a small margin.
I can't think of a QB that could handle the Indy situation and still be in contention. Even guys like Vick and Roth buying time means nothing when the WRs don't get open or fight for their spots. Vick would end up with a lot of rush yard though, but a lot of sore bones and get beaten up bad by the end. They have to win out to get in, but they're dead once they get in. To win a playoff game they're going to have to rely on mistake after mistake by the other team, and that won't happen 3 times. They can beat the NFC if they make it to the Bowl, but they'll never get there.
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I dunno. The last two years Ive had Rodgers as my fantasy QB...so its made me watch most of his games. He's ridiculous. The way he has played these last 2 years (really 3 years), have been as good as Ive seen in a while. Especially with the amount of hits he has always taken. Ive always thought Peyton was the best QB of this era. But its tough for me to say anyone is definetely better than Rodgers right now. The argument can be made. But its close. If Peyton is #1, than Id have to put Rodgers #2, and they have to be pretty close to be 1 and 2 at the moment.
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If all we're talking is talent after the decision is made then fine, but if you expect Rodgers to function as well in the Indy system with out a Mike McCarthy on the sideline, who as far as I know is still calling the plays, I don't see him having the patience or dedication to the no-run, or being able to coach up the new guys when the starters get injured.
Twentytwofifty:
And it continues into this week. 33-0 at the half. :-X
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