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I don't see work ethic as constructive art. I view it as the whole package. It's somewhat dependent on the job description. If your job is to produce music then that would likely mean being in the studio for a ridicilous amount of time but that's not the be-all-end. Touring is performing. There are probably artists who write and record more songs on a calender year than Tech but so what? Is someone who does 300 songs and phones it in for half of them a better worker than someone who does 250 and brings their A-game?
Quote from: Jimmy H. on December 12, 2010, 06:12:18 PMI don't see work ethic as constructive art. I view it as the whole package. It's somewhat dependent on the job description. If your job is to produce music then that would likely mean being in the studio for a ridicilous amount of time but that's not the be-all-end. Touring is performing. There are probably artists who write and record more songs on a calender year than Tech but so what? Is someone who does 300 songs and phones it in for half of them a better worker than someone who does 250 and brings their A-game? your missing the point - all the artist i mentioned performs as much as Tech (if not more) - plus, they got extremely big catalogues, unlike Tech N9ne).. plus, some of them are active with creativity in other fields in entertainment..we're talkin about the whole package, just like u said - correct?bein on the road for a year straight, performing songs (which is also "work-ethic") - doesnt equal a bigger work-ethic than everybody else..work ethic for an artist - is first and foremost - constructive art/creative with your craft..creations -- records, msuic, movies, fashion, literature, movie-scripts, production, EVERYTHING in between.. keywords, is "creating/producing something"..its called "spiel (oder stirb)"..an artist "creates"..
Quote from: Chamillitary Click on December 12, 2010, 06:21:23 PMI think Joe certainly can lol.What you call "emo" because you dislike Joe Budden is actually music with depth, meaning & focused.I've heard plenty of Tech N9ne, he isn't always consistent with that. He's an amazing rapper, but makes plenty of average songs (check K.O.D.) & that's coming from a fan of him. Joe Budden has his share of average songs too, but if you enjoy his music, you'd say a small chunk of his album music is average.You're the complete opposite of a "fan" so naturally a song I feel is "great" by Joe Budden, you say is "average" because you don't like his flow or he "sounds boring" or something irrelevant to the lyrical content.So I don't know what you meant by "just rapping" whether it's making songs or battling, but I think Joe can hold his own in either. Not saying he would beat Tech, but not saying he would "obviously" lose. I guess, we'd have to listen to the music; something most of you should do & throw the bias out the window lol.So bottom line, if you want to say "Tech at his best > Joe at his best", fine. I personally disagree, but I respect that being your opinion easily because Tech is awesome. But I would argue "Tech being more consistent than Budden".Just rapping means skill and the application of said skill.Tech is one of the best technical rappers out there, joe can simply not compete just like you would call people mad for comparing crooked I to gucci.Joe can hold his own? joe can't even make up his own rhyme schemes.
I think Joe certainly can lol.What you call "emo" because you dislike Joe Budden is actually music with depth, meaning & focused.I've heard plenty of Tech N9ne, he isn't always consistent with that. He's an amazing rapper, but makes plenty of average songs (check K.O.D.) & that's coming from a fan of him. Joe Budden has his share of average songs too, but if you enjoy his music, you'd say a small chunk of his album music is average.You're the complete opposite of a "fan" so naturally a song I feel is "great" by Joe Budden, you say is "average" because you don't like his flow or he "sounds boring" or something irrelevant to the lyrical content.So I don't know what you meant by "just rapping" whether it's making songs or battling, but I think Joe can hold his own in either. Not saying he would beat Tech, but not saying he would "obviously" lose. I guess, we'd have to listen to the music; something most of you should do & throw the bias out the window lol.So bottom line, if you want to say "Tech at his best > Joe at his best", fine. I personally disagree, but I respect that being your opinion easily because Tech is awesome. But I would argue "Tech being more consistent than Budden".
Quote from: imsohappydatmydiccsbig on December 12, 2010, 06:52:00 PMQuote from: Jimmy H. on December 12, 2010, 06:12:18 PMI don't see work ethic as constructive art. I view it as the whole package. It's somewhat dependent on the job description. If your job is to produce music then that would likely mean being in the studio for a ridicilous amount of time but that's not the be-all-end. Touring is performing. There are probably artists who write and record more songs on a calender year than Tech but so what? Is someone who does 300 songs and phones it in for half of them a better worker than someone who does 250 and brings their A-game? your missing the point - all the artist i mentioned performs as much as Tech (if not more) - plus, they got extremely big catalogues, unlike Tech N9ne).. plus, some of them are active with creativity in other fields in entertainment..we're talkin about the whole package, just like u said - correct?bein on the road for a year straight, performing songs (which is also "work-ethic") - doesnt equal a bigger work-ethic than everybody else..work ethic for an artist - is first and foremost - constructive art/creative with your craft..creations -- records, msuic, movies, fashion, literature, movie-scripts, production, EVERYTHING in between.. keywords, is "creating/producing something"..its called "spiel (oder stirb)"..an artist "creates"..most of those artist have had a record label for alonger time frame.
I'm not following how touring plays into work ethic.I mean, touring is pleasing your fans by rapping your best songs for them live. You're not getting better at your craft by touring, just getting money & showing your fans love.
argumetn is -- Tech N9ne better work ethic than everybpodye else? no, definitely not..touring is work-ethic, but not necsserialy what u should weigh and value as "more" or "more important", than the other creative aspects of an artist and its job..most of the other artist i mentioned, contributes constructively and creatively in various crafts in entertainment -- combine that wit strict touring.. thats "work-ethic"..people tend to look at Tech N9ne and his touring acchievements, and call him the "hardest working artist"
They are pretty close if you're hearing them both with unbiased ears.
Quote from: Chamillitary Click on December 12, 2010, 08:15:08 PMI'm not following how touring plays into work ethic.I mean, touring is pleasing your fans by rapping your best songs for them live. You're not getting better at your craft by touring, just getting money & showing your fans love. And I think this is a fairly common perception, not helped by the state of many live shows. A lot of these rappers do go out and karaoke their way through their best songs and give the city there in a cheap pop and fall back after 30-45 minutes. Maybe an hour if they are headlining. The simple act of touring is not honing your craft but I'd argue that neither is simply dropping a lot of albums and mixtapes without building on anything. Quote from: imsohappydatmydiccsbig on December 12, 2010, 08:06:32 PMargumetn is -- Tech N9ne better work ethic than everybpodye else? no, definitely not..touring is work-ethic, but not necsserialy what u should weigh and value as "more" or "more important", than the other creative aspects of an artist and its job..most of the other artist i mentioned, contributes constructively and creatively in various crafts in entertainment -- combine that wit strict touring.. thats "work-ethic"..people tend to look at Tech N9ne and his touring acchievements, and call him the "hardest working artist" It's not about touring acheivments. It's about the quality of the live shows he puts on and the clear amount of hard work required by himself and the artists in his circle to put on such shows. I've seen a number of the artists you mentioned live and while they all did great, I'd say Tech blew them all away. His sets are usually considerably longer than most and given the fact that he has next to no national crossover hits, he's doing it all with live performance as opposed to song familairty.
While certainly the argument of who puts on the best show is subjective, so is judging work ethic from an outside standpoint. The quantity of projects released is not necessarily a direct reflection of the amount of hard work put in. Obviously if I’m a Tech N9ne fan, I will enjoy a Tech show more than an artist I don’t like. However, of the artists I’ve seen live, a lot of them are artists who on a catalog level, I enjoy more than Tech so throw the “Tech fans like Tech shows” logic doesn’t work, especially since I know a handful of people who never heard one song from Tech before seeing him live and became fans afterward.
Well what's skill to you? I'd saying rapping with a dope message & saying something with meaning is "skillful". Having wordplay that's more complex than just "I'm hot..fire" or something Drake or Lil' Wayne would create is "skillful".& again, you're only hurting your argument by comparing Tech & Joe to "Crooked & Gucci". If that's really how you view Tech vs. Budden then discussing this with you is retarded. They are pretty close if you're hearing them both with unbiased ears.