It's official -- PACQUIAO vs. MOSLEY on May 7, 2011

[DeeezNuuuts83]

Any thoughts?

A lot of people online are talking shit about being disappointed, but they said the same thing when it was announced that Pacquiao was going to fight Margarito.  Mosley's getting old, but he's no slouch.  Hopkins is even older and he still put up a solid fight, even though he got put on his ass a couple of times.

But really, what were people expecting?  Obviously Mayweather wasn't going to fight this time around.  Marquez is a much less recognizable name and has only fought once above lightweight and wasn't handling the weight that well, plus at this stage in their careers (and Manny's), Marquez won't really be more challenging than Mosley.  Berto is even less recognizable (though I wouldn't mind seeing that fight, especially once Berto gets more popular after some bigger fights), though I appreciate how his camp took the news of Mosley having been selected, as they were saying that it made sense to them why Mosley was chosen while acknowledging that Berto is still relatively young and unknown, though they were hopeful of their time coming soon.  I can't say the same about Marquez and them, who has been spouting that "Marquez Beat Pacquiao Twice" bullshit, asking for far too much money (not just compared to Shane but also relative to what his name will do for the fight financially) and for suggesting that Pacquiao fight Berto next solely because of Mosley's now shaky relationship with Golden Boy.

[Javier]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[.:DaYg0sTyLz:.]

Kind of sucks cus for years Mosley was my favorite fighter. Obviously Berto would be a better matchup. But Bob Arums job is as a promoter. His job is to make the fight that will get the most PPV Buys and tickets sold. Berto wouldnt do that. And Mayweather just isnt happening. So I cant blame Arum for makin this fight happen. Should be interesting. It seems like Manny as of late has been taking on fighters that Mayweather has beat (or ducked, Margarito), and is one-upping him. Mayweather gets by De La Hoya, Manny crushes him. Mayweather gets TKO in the tenth against Hatton, Manny crushes Hatton by KO in the second. Mayweather has always ducked Margarito, Manny destroys him. Mayweather beat Mosley by decision....now Manny is taking him on. If he keeps up his trend, he is taking every fighter Mayweather beats...and beating them worse. Maybe to prove a point?

[DeeezNuuuts83]

^ Yup.  People can say what they want about Pacquiao taking mostly Mayweather's sloppy seconds, but check it out:

De La Hoya - Mayweather won by split decision, while Pacquiao TKO'd him in 8
Hatton - Mayweather won by KO in 10, while Pacquiao KO's him in 2 (with easily one of the greatest KOs of the past decade)
Cotto - Mayweather didn't fight him, while Pacquiao TKO'd him in 12
Clottey - I'll keep it real, this one doesn't really matter much
Margarito - Mayweather dodged him to fight Baldomir instead for the same money, while Pacquiao won by UD

Mayweather did beat Marquez easily, but let's not forget that he was forcing him to move up two weight classes while also not honoring the catchweight.  Had Pacquiao been facing Marquez instead this coming May, rest assured, Marquez would not go the distance.  Mayweather did also slap around Mosley (who really did just give up after the second round) while saying that since Mosley also beat Margarito (ignoring what may have been going through Margarito's head that night) who beat Cotto (ignoring that Margarito's gloves may have been loaded that fight too), that makes him better than all of them, but he ignores the fact that Cotto beat Mosley by UD.  Pacquiao's at least willing to be the king of the mountain by beating everyone instead of the guy who beat the guy who beat the guy.

[Javier]

Not really proving a good point

-Mayweather beat a younger De La Hoya at his best weight 154 compared to 147 and with gloves that De La Hoya wanted
-Mayweather set the blueprint for Hatton
-Mayweather vs Mosley and the events after is going exactly how Mayweather predicted it before even choosing to fight Mosley.  He was "ducking" Mosley, then when he shuts him down people will say "Oh he's too told etc".  It's been a lose-lose situation from the start, and now Pac is going to "prove" he's better than Mayweather by beating a 1 year older Mosley? NAAAA



If Mayweather ducked Margarito, then what Pac is doing is even worse.  Mayweather actually fought the WBC champ instead of the Margarito fight. There IS money with Pac vs Berto.  There is TONS of money with Pac vs Martinez/JMM.  

[Javier]

I'm not watching anymore fights with both of these clowns until they either face each other or fight Sergio Martinez. 

[OG Hack Wilson]

boxing succs now

[.:DaYg0sTyLz:.]

Not really proving a good point

-Mayweather beat a younger De La Hoya at his best weight 154 compared to 147 and with gloves that De La Hoya wanted
-Mayweather set the blueprint for Hatton
-Mayweather vs Mosley and the events after is going exactly how Mayweather predicted it before even choosing to fight Mosley.  He was "ducking" Mosley, then when he shuts him down people will say "Oh he's too told etc".  It's been a lose-lose situation from the start, and now Pac is going to "prove" he's better than Mayweather by beating a 1 year older Mosley? NAAAA



If Mayweather ducked Margarito, then what Pac is doing is even worse.  Mayweather actually fought the WBC champ instead of the Margarito fight. There IS money with Pac vs Berto.  There is TONS of money with Pac vs Martinez/JMM.  

Manny doesnt really have to prove he is better than Mayweather, as Mayweather has now been ducking Pacquiao. Im not even saying Manny is doing it on purpose. But from a fans perspective Im seeing Manny take on the same opponents and beat them far easier than Mayweather could. If De La Hoya was shot, he was shot well before fighting Mayweather and you might not remember, but De La Hoya was actually controlling that fight early when he was jabbing. He stopped jabbing, and was done. Manny dominated him from beginning to end. Nobody has ever seen De La Hoya take a beating like that. There was no blueprint to beating Hatton. Every good trainer out there could come up with a blue print to beat him. Really, every good trainer can come up with a blue print to beating any fighter. Its just that you cant always carry out that blue print. Both Mayweather and Pacquiao did it. Pacquiao just did it far better. And the reason things are going the way Mayweather predicted is because it is the truth lol. He was ducking Mosley forever, and took the fight when he was older. You really think Mosley after a year is completely spent...but wasnt against Mayweather? LOL. If Manny beats up Mosley then he will outdo Mayweather.

And how is it worse? You think there is as much money in a Pac vs Berto fight as there is in Pac vs Mosley??? lol. I like Berto, and he is good. Better than Mosley at this point. But no one outside of the educated boxing world knows who he is! A fight against JMM is kind of silly at this point. For one Manny will crush him now. For two, what could it prove at this point? It would be one thing if the first two fights were split. Then a 3rd fight SHOULD happen. But they werent. And Martinez isnt willing to drop far enough in weight...and Im pretty sure Pacquiao's camp said they didnt want to take on another much bigger fighter like that. People have gotten spoiled by Pacquiao fighting these giants, that they want him to keep taking on big guys...forgetting that this isnt normal for boxing.

[Javier]

-Mayweather ducking Pac? Please.  Arum's recent stunt during the fight negotiations has really stuck I guess.  The fight was ready to go, but Pacquiao felt he was gonna get drained from a drop of blood LMAO.  Then Arum pulled off the stunt where it was their terms and the deadline was on a night.  Motherfucker even held a press conference. 
-Mayweather ducking Mosley is a lot of BS.  Mayweather was ready for a fight with Mosley, but Mosley decided to take a vacation. 
-Yeah, I clearly remember when Mayweather took out Oscar's jab.  There is no other boxer better right now that can make in ring adjustments as good as Floyd. 
-Last I remember, Mosley was fighting the winner of the 1st Contender and it was a draw on non PPV HBO, he's not the same draw anymore. He peaked vs Margarito.  Pacquiao can face anybody, and it will bring in ratings.  So yeah, might as well choose a decent fight. 
-Blueprint was still set by Floyd himself.  This dude doesn't need a trainer to tell him how to approach the match. 
-Pac himself isn't normal for boxing, for going up so much in weight and being so powerful.  If he's juiced or not, I don't really care.  At this point he's a comfortable welterweight.  We all know he can handle a fight vs a 154 pounder. 
-Pac will crush JMM, but he won't crush Mosley?  This is the same argument Floyd fans were making with Cotto and Margarito.  Obviously there is a class difference between Floyd and Cotto and Margarito, but people still said he was ducking them.  But now, it's okay to say "nah he can't fight JMM cuz he will crush him" 
-And another point to add, two different styles of boxers. Of course one will look automatically look better doing it.  That's why no point is being proved with these fights. 

[.:DaYg0sTyLz:.]

-Mayweather ducking Pac? Please.  Arum's recent stunt during the fight negotiations has really stuck I guess.  The fight was ready to go, but Pacquiao felt he was gonna get drained from a drop of blood LMAO.  Then Arum pulled off the stunt where it was their terms and the deadline was on a night.  Motherfucker even held a press conference. 
-Mayweather ducking Mosley is a lot of BS.  Mayweather was ready for a fight with Mosley, but Mosley decided to take a vacation. 
-Yeah, I clearly remember when Mayweather took out Oscar's jab.  There is no other boxer better right now that can make in ring adjustments as good as Floyd. 
-Last I remember, Mosley was fighting the winner of the 1st Contender and it was a draw on non PPV HBO, he's not the same draw anymore. He peaked vs Margarito.  Pacquiao can face anybody, and it will bring in ratings.  So yeah, might as well choose a decent fight. 
-Blueprint was still set by Floyd himself.  This dude doesn't need a trainer to tell him how to approach the match. 
-Pac himself isn't normal for boxing, for going up so much in weight and being so powerful.  If he's juiced or not, I don't really care.  At this point he's a comfortable welterweight.  We all know he can handle a fight vs a 154 pounder. 
-Pac will crush JMM, but he won't crush Mosley?  This is the same argument Floyd fans were making with Cotto and Margarito.  Obviously there is a class difference between Floyd and Cotto and Margarito, but people still said he was ducking them.  But now, it's okay to say "nah he can't fight JMM cuz he will crush him" 
-And another point to add, two different styles of boxers. Of course one will look automatically look better doing it.  That's why no point is being proved with these fights. 

You are way too much of a Mayweather fan man

And the entire world, ESPN, everyone is of the opinion that Floyd is ducking Pacquiao except for a few blind Mayweather fans. Pacquiao had those beliefs about giving blood right before a fight far before the Mayweather fight was even dreamt up. Mayweather tried to use that to his advantage to avoid the fight. What Pacquiao agreed to was more than reasonable the first time. He did not want to give blood the 3 weeks before the fight, but would give blood before that...AND immediately following the fight. If Mayweather wanted the fight at that point he would have accepeted. It would prove Manny wasnt on anything during training, and prove nothing was in his system on fight night. The second fight Manny agreed to all of Floyds terms. Floyd still ignored it...instead he went on vacation to Puerto Rico to visit Cotto lol. The deadline means nothing. Arum gave the deadline, but didnt say they would NOT take a fight with Floyd after the deadline. He simply said that they would have to move on and negotiate with other fighters if Floyd didnt agree by the deadline. Prior to that, they were ONLY negotiating with Floyds people. Floyds people who lied and said there were never negotiations..even though HBO had come forward and said there was.

And everyone knows of Mayweathers ducking of fighters in their prime man. He never wanted to take a fight with Mosley when Mosley was in his prime. Oh well, I dont really give a shit. But Mosley in his prime would have KO'd Mayweather without a doubt. And we all know about Mayweather ducking Margarito...he has been ducking him for years.

Again, the blueprint was already out there. Mayweather just was the first to do it. Pacquiao and Mayweather didnt fight the same fight. They never would. Hatton is just easy to hit, and Pacquiao is a more aggressive fighter with much more power. So he crushed Hatton.

The difference with JMM is that they have already faught, twice. It isnt just the fact that Manny will crush him. Its the fact that they have faught twice and the fights werent split. Whats the point? I love trilogies, but when the first two fights are split and you have a rubber match.

People say Floyd was ducking Margarito because he was a strong chinned fighter with a high work rate who can make you look ugly in a fight. Mayweather didnt think it was worth the risk.

You are in the minority now man with the defense of Floyd. Again like I said, Throughout his whole career I was a bigtime Floyd Mayweather fan. I love him IN the ring. Sure, I wish he was a little more agressive and had more power. But I love a great boxer. But he has disappointed me so much with this shit. He has completely showed himself to be a strait up pussy. Maybe he is just smart, but a pussy nonetheless. Floyd knows he is ONLY a big draw because he is undefeated and people dont like him. Manny can lose, even to him, and people will stay pay to watch his fights. People dont pay to watch Floyd fight...they pay to watch him lose. People just want to see someone kick the shit out of him. So the minute he loses, he wont draw shit. Not to mention there goes his perfect record which is ALL he has to argue himself as the greatest. He doesnt seem to realize that all of the greatest fighters have losses. What makes a fighter great is how they captivate the crowd and overcome adversity. Not just handpicking opponents and beating them. He claims to be all about the money, but wont take the fight that will earn him the biggest payday he has or will ever see in his life. He will make more off the Pacquiao fight then 3 fights combines. Not to mention, the rematch. And if we are lucky...a third fight. They could make the greatest (or one of) boxing trilogy ever. But Floyd is too busy ducking, making excuses, going on vacation, and beating up his babies mama.

[Javier]

All I can say is time will tell, because at this rate Pac is losing a lot of fans.  Floyd agreed to Top Rank's ridiculous terms of getting fined 10 million dollars for every LB over 147, but they couldn't handle the drug testing.  It is what it is, we're not going to move away from our arguments, all there is left to it is that time will tell. 

[M Dogg™]

I thought Mayweather was in jail anyways?

[.:DaYg0sTyLz:.]

All I can say is time will tell, because at this rate Pac is losing a lot of fans.  Floyd agreed to Top Rank's ridiculous terms of getting fined 10 million dollars for every LB over 147, but they couldn't handle the drug testing.  It is what it is, we're not going to move away from our arguments, all there is left to it is that time will tell. 

Yeah, hopefully. I doubt Floyd will ever take the fight. And once again, Manny agreed to the drug testing terms Floyd asked for. Floyd just still didnt take the fight. Like I said, its pretty clear amongst the boxing world that Floyd has been ducking him.

From ESPN's P4P rankings....Floyd Mayweather

"Where do we even begin? He simply refuses to fight Pacquiao, which would easily be the biggest money fight in boxing history. It's the fight the whole world wants to see, and it isn't happening because of Mayweather. He appears more interested in not risking his unblemished record than challenging himself against the best. Outside the ring, he's a train wreck. He spent the night in jail recently after being arrested on a charge of battery. He also faces eight charges, including four felony charges, in another case against him as part of an alleged domestic incident. At this rate, the fight with Pacquiao doesn't look as though it will ever happen, which would be a shame for the fighters and fans."

[.:DaYg0sTyLz:.]

I thought Mayweather was in jail anyways?

Mayweather spent the night in jail. He is dealing with legal issues right now. But he refused to fight Pacquiao prior to the legal troubles and even after Pacquiao agreed to his terms. Like I said, Ive always liked Mayweather. He is a great boxer. But its clear he wants nothing to do with Pacquiao. Its a shame too, because Mayweather would get more respect from the boxing world with a loss to Pacquiao...than he will with a win against anyone else.

[Sikotic™]

Mosley is a dangerous fighter who seems to put on his best performances when he is the underdog. This sounds like it could be a good one.