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The official The Dark Knight Rises thread...
white Boy:
^ oh i forgot to add, what are you thinking of the new production w/ andrew garfield, i dont know anything about it, but i like the kid
JohnnyL:
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--- Quote from: white Boy on January 25, 2011, 05:27:55 AM ---^ i liked spiderman 1, but couldn't stand 2 (even though everyone liked it, and it was unanimously looked at as the best of the 3) and the 3rd was a joke. i see what you mean, i checked out that spectacular spiderman and thats what you mean when you mean getting in touch with kids, no?
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The cartoon? More or less. I wouldn't an exact translation to film, but I want to feel that a teenage Spiderman isn't older than me, and Tobey Maguire is older than me by 7 years. And I wasn't even a teen anymore when the first Spidey came out.
on a side note I just realized that Tobey is a full year older than Peyton Manning and Donovan McNabb, but they seem like old men and Tobey still looks like a young guy. Not sure why I mentioned that. It just feels weird to think about it that way.
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Andrew Garfield is a good actor, but he's much older than teenage too. He's 27 years old, and from what I understand, this movie is supposed to start with Parker in high school. I don't know...I hope it turns out to be good, but I'm skeptical. I will say though, that I do like the casting of Emma Stone as Gwen Stacy.
M Dogg™:
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--- Quote from: M Dogg on January 24, 2011, 08:00:49 AM ---
The Batman universe is one that so far in the movies is not hard to follow. If this is the end of Bruce Waynes younger years, you can easily set up his older years. Robin does not become part of the Batman story until Batman is older anyways. The next trilogy can focus on the Robins, from Dick Grayson and his eventual rebellion, to Jason Todd and his death, to Tim Drake and his role as the best Robin. In there you'd Batgirl who evenually become paralyzed and photos given to Commissioner Gordon in a way to try to make him insane. It does not have to be a complete reboot, Just reference these movies as the origin, and go from there.
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My point is that once you go the 3 Robins route or anything like that the entire Nolan tone has to go away. You simply cannot keep his style with the intro of Robin, and Nolan knows that; which is why won't bring Robin in.
So if you have a new Bruce Wayne, a Director, and a new style, whether you like it or not it's a reboot. You can try and say otherwise but it still is. Batman Forever even had Burton on board and you could still argue reboot because of how different it was from the last two. Where X-3 changed directors, but not direction. The new Bat films don't have to make you forget the Nolan films existed but they could be enjoyed and fully appreciated with out ever seeing the Nolan trilogy. Unlike something like Star Wars, where the new trilogy has to be seen after the old trilogy to get what you're seeing. Because no one that has not seen the old films can appreciate just how bad the new films were.
Look at Batman the Animated series; it was entirely it's own entity and based off a lot of Batman entities and never really re-established Batman or set an origin in play, but it was a reboot of the character. It was not someone else's Batman animated on TV. So Nolan's Batman and who ever takes Batman in 5 to 10 years will be very different Batmen, but it is still possible to keep them in the same loose continuity that comics have Batman in. I'll simply know better. What I mean by that is if you try and say something in the new trilogy doesn't make sense because of something in the old trilogy then you're better off trying to find continuity in the 20 seasons of the Simpsons. Because Bart being in the 4th grade for 20 years will make more sense than this Batman and the new Batman being the same Batman.
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See, my thinking is you do something like the Star Wars two trilogies. As everyone can see, both are made is different eras, have different feels and by all means are different stories, but are connected still. I think the origin that Nolan has created is one of the best stories of Batman, comic, movie or cartoon. I would like to see some continuity in the future, as this series was not made to end in 3 movies. Nolan is telling a story of young Batman, and the comic goes all the way until Bruce Wayne's death and older age. So someone can pick up the next Batman and do a Robin trilogy, and it doesn't have to be in Nolan's world. Batman today is the same continuity as Batman Year One, but it is not the same. Different authors, different focuses, and the past Batman's are only used as reference. At the same time, it would be foolish to ignore the Nolan trilogy, and if the right director handles the next trilogy then Robin can work. An older Batman can't handle being Batman, he needs Robin's help. With Jason Todd being a darker character anyways, and you can focus on Dick Grayson's rebellion and transformation into Knightwing, Robin can work in the Nolan world. But Nolan might not be able to see it, that's why they should hire me... lol.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: white Boy on January 25, 2011, 06:24:13 AM ---^ oh i forgot to add, what are you thinking of the new production w/ andrew garfield, i dont know anything about it, but i like the kid
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At least he looks young. And the pic I saw looked great. I'll save any more judgment for the film after I see a trailer.
Triple OG Rapsodie:
Fuck a reboot for the two biggest comic-to-movie adaptations of our generation. Batman Begins and Spiderman were originally so affective because they were using material that was dead and gone to the mainstream movie-goer. The Batman series that began with Burton's Batman had been dead for 8 years and really had no love in the public view. Nolan's Batman and Raimi's Spiderman series are still fresh in everyone's mind, and seen in a very positive light. It doesn't make sense to start them over right now.
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