Dr. Dre production questions?

[doublee313]

Ok, I've been listing to rap since the 80's, and guess I'm a little confused on who get's "Produced By" "Mixed By" credit.

From my understanding, Dr. Dre makes the whole tracks and mixes.  Recently reading D.O.C's interview, it sounds like he throws his name on tracks that someone else has worked on.  Is this true?  I mean we see Scott Storch, Timberland, etc, on like THE GAME's first album, and Dr. Dre production.  D.O.C is saying he steals credit from other producers? 

Does he just make the drums, piano, etc, and someone else finishes it?  I know people talk a lot of bullshit, so I'm looking for someone that knows the process.  There is a lot of hating going on over Dr. Dre right now, which I think is stupid.  However, maybe I'm wrong not understanding the what goes into the production.

All these years I thought "Produced by" meant they did the track.  Some Dr. Dre tracks say "Produced by Dr. Dre and so and do"  That I can understand. 

Maybe someone can clearify this for me.

[Darkwing Duck (The Reincarnation)]

bringin a record/song to life, is production. thats Dre right there..
he always been like that i think. from Death Row-days to Aftermath-era,
wheter it was blueprints from Daz, Warren or Wolfe and blueprints from Elizondo, Khalil or Mel -
Dre added stuff on instrumentals, and brought em to life afterwards.
makin loose music/beat-blueprints/tracks sound like that, or this.. adding stuff here and there.
during recording-sessions, makin artists punch in here n there, "make it sound like this, make it sound like that",
"add a bridge there, chorus starts there, and this or that sound right after that part"
ORCHESTRATING the record/song. a beat is a beat, a record is a record.
thats producing.
he can make beats too, but he's not always workin like that i think.
Dr Dre is a mixer, Record/song-producer, alternatively a Beatmaker IMO.
both Snoop and Eminem described Dre as a msuician, in this way..
all the credit-produced songs he did for other artists - Dre was there in the studio, orchestrating the "song".
i dont think he ever PROTOOL-sent a beat to anybody.
like the beat he did for Brandy - Dre didnt allow Brandy to use it as her single,
cuz Dre wasnt there durin the recording-process, cuz he didnt feel like he "produced" it.
or when he recieved the grammy for the "Crack a Bottle"-song, he didnt even want in his house (XXL interview)
its a common misconception that if u dont add music to a record, that u dont deserve credit for that. especially in hiphop - where the "beat"/musical skeleton is considered the production.
this isnt true..
if a person is involved in a creation of a song, and ur not even playin anythin at all on it, far as intsruments or music -
but if ur adding input to the craeation with words/leadership.. thats production too
back in the 70's, u used to have 2 different credit-sections on the back of the album-covers ---
"Produced by..."
and
"Music by..."

that system hardly even exists anymore, specially not in HipHop.

(i think Ice Cube used credits like this, to thoroughly explain the song-creation,
in the credits for one of his "war & Peace"-albums


Death Row-kids didnt get any credit, cuz they didnt lead/orchestrate the specifc songs/records, like Dre did.
(surely, they deserved production or instrument-credits somewhere in the booklet cuz its confimred that
Daz did 3 or 4 beats for "Doggsytyle")
even Suge Knight got credit as a "producer" for some Death Row-songs (he orchestrated the records/songs,
or maybe he just wanted to flex some muscles that werent there, LOL)

[Unforgivable by Sean John]

nice post, nice explanation.

on doggystyle, what beats did daz do besides aint no fun, serial killa, and for all my niggaz and bitchez? maybe just those three?

[Triple OG Rapsodie]

nice post, nice explanation.

on doggystyle, what beats did daz do besides aint no fun, serial killa, and for all my niggaz and bitchez? maybe just those three?

That's never been confirmed. Everyone seems to say something different

[Jimmy H.]

I don't think it was ever confirmed that Daz did those beats but he did say he did them. As for the D.O.C. interview, which one is it? I've never heard him say that other people produced for Dre.

I think the most recent article on the Making of the Documentary kind of breaks it down the best. Dre is the producer. The same way, a traditional rock & roll producer would take a new band's demo recording and have them replay every instrument to perfect the sound, Dre would take these recordings and basically re-do them from scratch with his studio team so everything sounds exactly how he wants it. He would have the rappers do numerous takes so the lyrics are exactly to his liking. That's what a producer does. He composes the music. Mixing is post-production after the song is completed. Two completely different credits though in a good number of cases, the producer and the guy who mixed down the record are the same person.

[Darkwing Duck (The Reincarnation)]

nice post, nice explanation.

on doggystyle, what beats did daz do besides aint no fun, serial killa, and for all my niggaz and bitchez? maybe just those three?

That's never been confirmed. Everyone seems to say something different

it was confirmed. Daz is sayin one thing (not credible wit anythin),
but Kurupt confirmed it too,
plus the canadians recently gave Delmar Arnaud publishing-credit for his work on "Doggysytle".
u cant do that, without any evidence basicaly..

*Edit*
article from XXL or Vibe.com, coudlnt find it anymore - but i found a copy of the artcile from a forum.
Quote:
"I just got a check from Death Row [Records] from [Doggystyle]. Man, I love that album!"
I had just got a check for like $100,000 from Death Row Records - the new Death Row. They're paying royalties on all their music

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:wxwz9MbOWYgJ:www.tintini.com/blogs/entry/Daz-thanked-his-decade-long-monster-dre-beats+I+just+got+a+check+from+Death+Row+%5BRecords%5D+from+%5BDoggystyle%5D.+Man,+I+love+that+album&cd=5&hl=sv&ct=clnk&gl=se&source=www.google.se

[Jimmy H.]

He said he got a check for Doggystyle in that article but again, that's not confirmation of him getting credit for producing anything. He already had writing credit established on the publishing with the songs he performed on plus co-writing "Murder Was The Case". This kinds of seems crazy though. How is Wideawake making enough off "Doggystyle" to pay $100,000 in royalties?

[Darkwing Duck (The Reincarnation)]

the check was for the work on "Doggystyle".
ASCAP-writing/and ASCAP-music:
"Serial Killa"
and "For all myh nggaz bitchtes"
that is indicated in the article tho

and
Kurupt confirmed Daz-production on "Aint No Fun", and the other 2 tracks in interviews before

*****He already had writing credit established on the publishing with the songs he performed on plus co-writing "Murder Was The Case".*********
nah, that was for the remix
and that couldve been for music-writing

[Portugoal]

I believe Snoop confirmed Warren G did the beat for Ain't No Fun.

[Triple OG Rapsodie]

the check was for the work on "Doggystyle".
ASCAP-writing/and ASCAP-music:
"Serial Killa"
and "For all myh nggaz bitchtes"
that is indicated in the article tho

Where? I don't see daz mentioning that anywhere. The article writer seems to assume that though. Who wrote the article?

Kurupt confirmed Daz-production on "Aint No Fun", and the other 2 tracks in interviews before

really cuz I heard Warren G was claiming credit for Ain't No Fun

[Triple OG Rapsodie]

I believe Snoop confirmed Warren G did the beat for Ain't No Fun.

I read a Snoop interview where he said Warren G and Nate brought the hook to Dre and Dre did the rest.

[Portugoal]

I believe Snoop confirmed Warren G did the beat for Ain't No Fun.

I read a Snoop interview where he said Warren G and Nate brought the hook to Dre and Dre did the rest.

Warren G brought the beat in, Dre made it come to life. That's how Snoop described it.

[Darkwing Duck (The Reincarnation)]

of course it does. read the article..
Quote:
The producer and co-writer of "Serial Killa" and "For All My Niggaz & Bitches" thumped his chest about his closeness to the acclaimed project

why taking those specific songs in context (songs that ppl have argued about for ages), in an article about Daz recevin a publishing-check for his work on "Doggystyle"?
money was for those songs, what else did he get paid for 18 yrs later?


in Nima-interview, Snoop said Warren brought the sample for that "Aint no fun"-track if i remember correctly
 

[Triple OG Rapsodie]

of course it does. read the article..
Quote:
The producer and co-writer of "Serial Killa" and "For All My Niggaz & Bitches" thumped his chest about his closeness to the acclaimed project

why taking those songs in context, in an article about Daz recevin a publishing-check for his work on "Doggystyle"?
money was for those songs, what else did he get paid for 18 yrs later?

Because its something the article writer is saying in his own words. He obviously didn't ask daz about what songs he's getting paid for, otherwise it would have been a quote from daz. Its an assumption on the part of whoever wrote the article.

[Darkwing Duck (The Reincarnation)]

of course it does. read the article..
Quote:
The producer and co-writer of "Serial Killa" and "For All My Niggaz & Bitches" thumped his chest about his closeness to the acclaimed project

why taking those songs in context, in an article about Daz recevin a publishing-check for his work on "Doggystyle"?
money was for those songs, what else did he get paid for 18 yrs later?

Because its something the article writer is saying in his own words. He obviously didn't ask daz about what songs he's getting paid for, otherwise it would have been a quote from daz. Its an assumption on the part of whoever wrote the article.

no, its not an assumption.
what r u tryin to say, that the writer wrote that Daz thumped his chest assuminly for his work on those 2 random songs (took out of context)?
lol
cause if you're writin for XXL and Vibe-magaizne or any other publication, quote-on-quote/facts is liable by law..
or else, that wouldnt been published withou proper confidence about the credit for those song.

thats like Rollling Stone Magazine writin an article about Kurt Cobain, and sayin (just by assumption), that he wrote some Courtney Love records..