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How much involvement does the White House have in the Middle East right now

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jeromechickenbone:
There are protests all over the world...the last thing the US would have wanted is to lose their puppet dictator Mubarak. The US propaganda machine would love for you to think they are in control of the situation, but they are not. They are def gonna try and install the next leader, but I think the Egyptians have done well not to let that happen. They demanded the PM step down, also, Zahi Hawass who is the head of the group in charge of Egyptian antiquities and is notorious for hiding ancient artifacts, not letting people explore certain parts of pyramids / sphinx etc. He stepped down due to pressure from his association with Mubarak. Hawass said that protesters have looted some artifacts already, and since there is about half of the police force there used to be....this is highly suspect to me, it's prolly him and his associates taking shit they don't want the people to know about.

As for Libya, it's different. As soon as Ghadafi started killing his people, the US, British, and other western countries are using that as their justification for occupying the country militarily to "restore order" which really means to install someone they control. Why didn't the West do this for Tunisia / Bahrain etc.? They most definitely have some shady dealings with Ghadafi that they want to ensure stays hidden...

Obama is doing whatever he is told to do. His opinions on world events aren't really opinions, they are recitals fro
Scripts given to him. He really is not a major decision maker, he is a puppet just like the rest.

M Dogg™:
I think the more this year goes on, the more balls Obama grows. His hands off approach to the Middle East right now is not what I expected from those who are "advising" him. I think his doing his thing and going off his own foreign policy.

jeromechickenbone:

--- Quote from: M Dogg on March 11, 2011, 09:41:32 PM ---I think the more this year goes on, the more balls Obama grows. His hands off approach to the Middle East right now is not what I expected from those who are "advising" him. I think his doing his thing and going off his own foreign policy.

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Obama does whatever Israel tells him to.  Just like Dubya. 

Here's the deal:  Israel has decided that they would rather Ghadafi stay in power, which is why they are hiring mercs from Africa to come in and kill the protesters and quell dissent.  That's the main reason why the West hasn't done anything yet, because they are trying to salvage his regime. 

And what does that say about Israel?  Supporting a dictator, hiring people to kill protestors, etc.  SMFH.

 

virtuoso:
Isn't it time we looked at the bare facts here?

1) The uprising in Egypt began with the middle class supposedly, when have you ever known the middle class to do that?
2) The mercenaries of blackwater recently moved their operations into North Africa
3) Sudan, Ivory Coast, Libya. Saudi Arabia Bahrain, Egypt, Morocco, all at the same time?
4) Look at the actions in these country's, they would have taken the bare minimum of months and months to set up. Therefore when you look at the scale of the uprising, this couldn't have been kept "underground"
5) If it can't have been kept underground then these plans have been afoot within the ruling party's, inside coups agreed wayyy in advance
6) The media immediately came out repeating claims about libyan fighter pilots bombing people, mercenary's murderously wiping out protestors. In fact they painted it as literally unarmed people being gunned down because of simply peaceful protesting.
7) Peaceful protesting?, and yet days later the rebels had just captured a government stronghold, what with placards and shouting?
8 This goes back to the previous point, the people organising these events were supposedly using the social networks, riiiiiiight, you think the arab administrations give a shit about privacy? fuck no they would have been all over it.
9) If they didn't know, then it can't have been planned in the manner reported, these must have been sleeper cells with some approval from insiders.

Oh but wait, we are meant to celebrate, this is after all an uprising people power. We are meant to be getting behind our arab brothers.

Some more facts, indisputable facts, the wider this becomes....

10) The higher petrol prices will rise, the weaker the economy's become.
11) The higher the food prices rise
12) This is a direct attack not just on America, not just on Europeans standard of living but a gargantuan TNT placed underneath the feet of the arab countries to.
13) These aren't white people/jewish people, this not an american thing, a european thing, it's a group of psychotic, cold blood monstrous people who regard themselves as globalists, every place on earth is a profit centre ready to be bled dry.
14) What a perfect distraction from the insane criminality carrying on unabated in Iraq and Afghanistan
15) What a perfect reason for further wars based on purely humanitarian reasons of course
16) This will lead to a mass exodus of new refugees on our shores sinking the ship down further and further
17) This is going to be the PERFECT reason why the economy's failed and why the world needs to be re-ordered, nothing to do with these BASTARDS destroying and leeching by design to create their utopia.

Lastly, with comments like Obama is "doing his thing" is it any wonder why we are paralysed in this state of disbelief?
He doesn't write his own scripts, teleprompting gives you those moving words, he doesn't own shit, where is your sense of being able to compute the most basic thing ever....

The banks have instigated a total takeover, derivatives are running at 1.5 quadrillion all debts are mathematically impossible to pay off
There is no recovery, it's all a fraud
The only things constantly rising are commodities that means currency's are eroding
Time you started to snap out of your delusions and faced reality
 

BiggBoogaBiff:
more like Obama just doesn't really care (not to say that he doesn't care at all).  the middle east is always fighting, in fact when has their ever been "peace in the middle east" (isn't that a saying anyway).  in real life i think we're all on the same page (including Obama and the US), u can't save and help everybody, why would u want 2 help people who don't want to help themselves [up until now]. 


it's a waste of time and resources trying to fight every battle that the middle east gets involved in, it really iz.  it's no conspiracy, there's not really an "behind the scenes" actions taking place (what reason would they have... oil?, it's probably not as big of a deal as u think so, there's other things to consider). 


right now there's a new revolution going on and all the credit should be given to the people of the middle east, not some Americans.  what... were they gonna get all of the White soldiers faces and put em on the tv and be like "oh we're saving these people"... oh joy, more white people coming to save the day and get all of the credit for everything when they were merely just playing the background, if that.  i don't think u people realize that the middle east can only help the middle east and nobody can save them but themselves in 2011 (Why u think Obama is going to start to draw troops out).  It's pointless trying to stay over there and fight all of the time, it's gotten us virtually nowhere in the past 20/30 years (literally). 


I'm glad we're not stepping in like that.  Yeah it blows how it makes everything over here get more expensive but it can't last forever.

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