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Phil Jackson: "Kobe has patterned himself after Michael......he is not michael"
Sccit:
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on March 19, 2011, 10:54:53 AM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on March 18, 2011, 01:23:12 PM ---So Kobe gets penalized for being part of the greatest 1-2 punch in history? lame argument, dicklickers.
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Thats life. If Lebron wins a title alongside Wade, it wouldnt be viewed as great as it would if he did in Cleveland. Winning three titles as the #2 guy on the team will always be a part of Kobe's legacy, especially considering the fact that they sucked when Shaq left. Like it or not, thats just how it is. Like I said, he IS an all time great. But the bottom line is, he DOES have 2 titles as THE man for his team. He has 3 titles as the sidekick.
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sidekicks don't average around 30 points...it was not a sidekick situation, it was a 1-2 punch, and it was the greatest 1-2 punch in history...discrediting kobe's titles because he played with shaq would be like discrediting magic's titles because he played with kareem. not happenin'.
.:DaYg0sTyLz:.:
--- Quote from: NIKCC on March 19, 2011, 12:17:35 PM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on March 19, 2011, 10:54:53 AM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on March 18, 2011, 01:23:12 PM ---So Kobe gets penalized for being part of the greatest 1-2 punch in history? lame argument, dicklickers.
--- End quote ---
Thats life. If Lebron wins a title alongside Wade, it wouldnt be viewed as great as it would if he did in Cleveland. Winning three titles as the #2 guy on the team will always be a part of Kobe's legacy, especially considering the fact that they sucked when Shaq left. Like it or not, thats just how it is. Like I said, he IS an all time great. But the bottom line is, he DOES have 2 titles as THE man for his team. He has 3 titles as the sidekick.
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sidekicks don't average around 30 points...it was not a sidekick situation, it was a 1-2 punch, and it was the greatest 1-2 punch in history...discrediting kobe's titles because he played with shaq would be like discrediting magic's titles because he played with kareem. not happenin'.
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Then why does the rest of the world see him as the #2 guy on those teams with Shaq? lol. The rest of the world doesnt see Magic as the #2 guy on his titles with Kareem. They DO with Kobe. Maybe the entire world is wrong, outside of Kobe fans.
Sccit:
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on March 19, 2011, 12:46:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on March 19, 2011, 12:17:35 PM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on March 19, 2011, 10:54:53 AM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on March 18, 2011, 01:23:12 PM ---So Kobe gets penalized for being part of the greatest 1-2 punch in history? lame argument, dicklickers.
--- End quote ---
Thats life. If Lebron wins a title alongside Wade, it wouldnt be viewed as great as it would if he did in Cleveland. Winning three titles as the #2 guy on the team will always be a part of Kobe's legacy, especially considering the fact that they sucked when Shaq left. Like it or not, thats just how it is. Like I said, he IS an all time great. But the bottom line is, he DOES have 2 titles as THE man for his team. He has 3 titles as the sidekick.
--- End quote ---
sidekicks don't average around 30 points...it was not a sidekick situation, it was a 1-2 punch, and it was the greatest 1-2 punch in history...discrediting kobe's titles because he played with shaq would be like discrediting magic's titles because he played with kareem. not happenin'.
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Then why does the rest of the world see him as the #2 guy on those teams with Shaq? lol. The rest of the world doesnt see Magic as the #2 guy on his titles with Kareem. They DO with Kobe. Maybe the entire world is wrong, outside of Kobe fans.
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maybe that's because the offense ran through shaq, as a triangle offense traditionally should.....okay, lets flip it around. are you gunna discredit karreem's 5 titles because he got them with magic? most people saw magic as the first option on that team, but that doesn't mean kareem wasn't just as vital. in fact, kareem is considered by most the greatest center of all time...try twistin that one up LOL.
wcsoldier:
There are lot of interesting things to discuss in B-Ball besides MJ , Kobe , Shaq , Lebron , the Lakers and the Heat ... trust me :-X
Shallow:
--- Quote from: NIKCC on March 19, 2011, 12:15:16 PM ---
kobe was 20-22 in those 3peat years....there's no way magic, jordan, or bird would have done any better at that age. at that age, jordan, magic, and bird were still in college. what kobe was doing at that age was unheard of. in fact, one can go ahead and say that if shaq were replaced by kareem, hakeem, or wilt, kobe woulda won more titles during those years. argument can go either way, but it doesn't help to sit here and wonder "what if"...trust me, if you followed the lakers during those years, you would know just how special kobe's talent was, even in his younger days, and how vital that talent was to any success the lakers had.
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I don't think more titles but maybe just as many, but those 3 Centers would have been the leaders on that team.
And what Larry did in that last year of college and that first year on the Celtics Kobe wasn't able to do until very recently. Fuck numbers, I could get in that all day with my QB debates, this is about being able to carry guys that wouldn't even know what playoffs were if anyone else was on that team. Not Jordan, not Magic, not fucking Ben Hur, could have taken that 79/80 Celtics to the playoffs in their rookie years. I wonder if they could have even done it in their prime. Had Larry started with Kareem, and Magic with a bunch of scrubs (no McHale or Parrish yet) there may not have even been much a rivalry.
I'll debate Magic vs Larry as players, but not as leaders. And that first year Celtic team needed a better leader than player.
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