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is Islam an Arab Religion ?
Jay_J:
of course quran text is arabic... because the prophet was living in arabia and he was talking arabic language. actually his grandfathers wasnt arab. so he wasn't an arab ethnicly. but nationally he was arab. like every people from different nationalities who are living in u.s.a calling themself "american". anyway. i am a turkish. and i am a muslim. and i don't know arabic language. and i dont need to know. because there is translation of it. and i don't greet people "selamın aleyküm" because my language is turkish. i prefer to use my language all the time. but yeah some people likes to use that word for greeting. and i am praying to god with turkish words. i call god with a turkish word "tanrı".
however there are a lot non-arab muslim acts like, wears like an arab. because some arabic traditions became a part of islam in past years. that was the worst thing could happen for islam. because it kills me to see a turkish muslim woman who covers her head with turban like an arab woman. she doesn't know it is an arabic way of wearing. she thinks it is islamic. it kilss me to see a turkish man who prays arabic all the time. but he really has no fuckin idea about what he is saying to god.
for me, islam was not an arab religion. but it mixed with some stupid traditions and misunderstandings in past years, i mean more then 1000 year. but if u have a good translation of quran, u read it and think about what it is telling. u will understand it is not an arab religion. but there is fact that there are a lot people from other nationalities living their religion like it is an arabic religion. and like i said before... it is killing me...
Jay_J:
--- Quote from: Infinite- African West Coastin' 2010 on April 15, 2011, 01:50:35 PM ---That's because it would change the meaning if it weren't performed in Arabic. The more you translate the further you get away from the original source and meaning. So therefore, it would make sense that prayers should be spoken in Arabic; however as someone is learning they may use their local language as long as they are intending to learn it more closely to it's original language.
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i dont agree... arabic language is a very hard language to learn and speak. if u say same word with a different tone, it means really something different. so i don't know arabic and when i try to pray with original arabic text, i am sure i pronounce wrong and it doesnt mean what text means. also the arabic language written in quran is different then the arabic language of 21th century now. it makes me feel good to know what i am telling to god. the most important thing is god knows what i am trying to tell him. also i know.
if u think translations are always away from the original meaning it means we the other nations won't be able to understand islam. never and ever. but god tells in quran that he sent this religion to all the people around the world. so i advice all the people to read the translation of quran and pray with their own language.
otherwise u will keep asking urself "is islam an arab religion?"
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: Cey_Cey on April 15, 2011, 02:25:09 PM ---
--- Quote from: Infinite- African West Coastin' 2010 on April 15, 2011, 01:50:35 PM ---That's because it would change the meaning if it weren't performed in Arabic. The more you translate the further you get away from the original source and meaning. So therefore, it would make sense that prayers should be spoken in Arabic; however as someone is learning they may use their local language as long as they are intending to learn it more closely to it's original language.
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i dont agree... arabic language is a very hard language to learn and speak. if u say same word with a different tone, it means really something different. so i don't know arabic and when i try to pray with original arabic text, i am sure i pronounce wrong and it doesnt mean what text means. also the arabic language written in quran is different then the arabic language of 21th century now. it makes me feel good to know what i am telling to god. the most important thing is god knows what i am trying to tell him. also i know.
if u think translations are always away from the original meaning it means we the other nations won't be able to understand islam. never and ever. but god tells in quran that he sent this religion to all the people around the world. so i advice all the people to read the translation of quran and pray with their own language.
otherwise u will keep asking urself "is islam an arab religion?"
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I don't have any problem with what you just said. But I was just trying to explain why prayers are generally said in Arabic... but the way you put it is fine with me
Jay_J:
--- Quote from: Infinite- African West Coastin' 2010 on April 16, 2011, 12:22:21 AM ---
--- Quote from: Cey_Cey on April 15, 2011, 02:25:09 PM ---
--- Quote from: Infinite- African West Coastin' 2010 on April 15, 2011, 01:50:35 PM ---That's because it would change the meaning if it weren't performed in Arabic. The more you translate the further you get away from the original source and meaning. So therefore, it would make sense that prayers should be spoken in Arabic; however as someone is learning they may use their local language as long as they are intending to learn it more closely to it's original language.
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i dont agree... arabic language is a very hard language to learn and speak. if u say same word with a different tone, it means really something different. so i don't know arabic and when i try to pray with original arabic text, i am sure i pronounce wrong and it doesnt mean what text means. also the arabic language written in quran is different then the arabic language of 21th century now. it makes me feel good to know what i am telling to god. the most important thing is god knows what i am trying to tell him. also i know.
if u think translations are always away from the original meaning it means we the other nations won't be able to understand islam. never and ever. but god tells in quran that he sent this religion to all the people around the world. so i advice all the people to read the translation of quran and pray with their own language.
otherwise u will keep asking urself "is islam an arab religion?"
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I don't have any problem with what you just said. But I was just trying to explain why prayers are generally said in Arabic... but the way you put it is fine with me
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ok i understand you...yes u are right... there is a wrong belief(this is my opinion) about praying in arabic is the one and only right way...and it is very common.
what do you think about cat steven became a muslim and now he looks like an arab with his beard and cloths. things like this make people think it is an arabic religion.
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: Cey_Cey on April 16, 2011, 02:04:06 AM ---
ok i understand you...yes u are right... there is a wrong belief(this is my opinion) about praying in arabic is the one and only right way...and it is very common.
what do you think about cat steven became a muslim and now he looks like an arab with his beard and cloths. things like this make people think it is an arabic religion.
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Good point about Cat Stevens. But he's basically doing what the traditional Sunni scholars would instruct. So if you really want to break it down we need to call the "Sunnah" that was developed a couple hundred years after the Prophet saws into question... and I don't think your willing to do that.
But bro, if you look at your opinions I can see a common theme in them. Think about it. You are a Turkish Muslim. Turks were the world leaders in Islam from around the 15th century all the way to the beggining of the 20th century, until what? Until the Arabs stabbed them in the back in the run-up and during WW1. What was the Turkish cause/effect of that? An ultra-nationalistic movement of their own, and a leader emerged, Attaturk, who wanted to remodel the country in a way that would remove all Arab influence culturally and otherwise.
So then look at yourself. You are a proud Muslim (from having lead the Ummah from 15th to 20th Century), you have nationalistic pride (from the educational and political system instituted by Attaturk promoted), and you sound a little bitter towards Arabs (lingering beef over them stabbing the Turks in the back in the early 1900's).
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