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We Should Cut Special Education
virtuoso:
--- Quote from: Russell Bell on June 20, 2011, 06:17:52 PM ---
--- Quote from: virtuoso on June 20, 2011, 03:30:08 PM ---
I don't mean to be patronising, but you are being suckered into the game, first they inflate, then they deflate, then they inflate, maybe causing hyper inflation and instead of cutting out the route of the problem, we ask whose throat should I slit?
Should I slit the throat of the mum on welfare?
Should I slit the throat of the unemployed?
Should we have a minimum wage?
It goes on and on on, yet meanwhile a few are sitting pretty, and consolidating their power, watching one turn on another and incrementally lowering their living standards and so the wealth transfer creates an even wider disparity.
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Actually, the ones who get lower living standards are everyone else as the wagon of those who need this and that gets more full. The small percentage of those who need expensive extras is getting bigger, and the majority suffers. All I'm saying is we need to re-evaluate how we do special ed, i mean the kids who are never going to do anything and cant do anything, i feel sorry for them but public schools cant afford them! Why are kids who will never be productive in the least ever being rolled (lol, bad taste) to these schools like its some fucking convalescent home? This isnt some generalized abstract bullshit and its not pulling some mom who needs welfare off of it, its the truth and its quite specific.
And if you think this is a deteriorating process which has been slowly eroding at our society, its not. Our care "net" is cast out wider than it ever was, which is the fucking problem. ADD and autism are new, not old. And the ones sitting pretty are no one in this situation, cause normal kids get fucked w bigger classes and overworked teachers, unemployed teachers cant get work, and the special ed kids who cant wipe their own ass still cant wipe their own ass at the end of a costly (to the taxpayers) day. So you tell me who stands to benefit from my plan? The small minority pulling strings from behind a curtain or regular folks like me and you, who dont have a voice because they arent "different" enough?
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I don't understand your rebuttal, the reason why the world is up shits creek is due to the expansion of debt, due to the fact that this expansion was being avoided by the richest through their bullshit tax havens, or the bullshit taxes applied to wall street etc.
It's theft on an unimaginable scale and on top of which is the offshoring of millions upon millions of jobs. Or the 2 trillion, 3 trillion, etc stolen by from the pentagon budget. The corruption is so common, so inherent, that it's become a cultural aspect of business and government alike. I do agree however that the state should be the ones to deem what is and isn't acceptable to be spending money on.
Triple OG Rapsodie:
--- Quote from: Sami on June 21, 2011, 08:43:10 PM ---You know how else we save money? End the goddamn war.
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Triple OG Rapsodie:
also just want to point out that executions cost more than putting someone away for life.
Sami:
That's true, but mostly it's because appeals are far too long and generous if I recall correctly.
But even so, you have a point. No executions till we eliminate the deficit, then kill em all.
If it were up to me, people in those cases would get 3 appeals, with the state hiring them the best private attorneys available and that would be it.
You know something? If it were up to me I'd set up a massive program to upgrade internet lines throughout CA. We need more porn, faster!
America is now 18th in the world in internet speed. Romania is 4th. That's shameful.
Hiring millions of people to upgrade phone, internet, water and sewer lines would improve the quality and create economic activity while improving the business climate.
Russell Bell:
--- Quote from: virtuoso on June 22, 2011, 04:47:23 PM ---
--- Quote from: Russell Bell on June 20, 2011, 06:17:52 PM ---
--- Quote from: virtuoso on June 20, 2011, 03:30:08 PM ---
I don't mean to be patronising, but you are being suckered into the game, first they inflate, then they deflate, then they inflate, maybe causing hyper inflation and instead of cutting out the route of the problem, we ask whose throat should I slit?
Should I slit the throat of the mum on welfare?
Should I slit the throat of the unemployed?
Should we have a minimum wage?
It goes on and on on, yet meanwhile a few are sitting pretty, and consolidating their power, watching one turn on another and incrementally lowering their living standards and so the wealth transfer creates an even wider disparity.
--- End quote ---
Actually, the ones who get lower living standards are everyone else as the wagon of those who need this and that gets more full. The small percentage of those who need expensive extras is getting bigger, and the majority suffers. All I'm saying is we need to re-evaluate how we do special ed, i mean the kids who are never going to do anything and cant do anything, i feel sorry for them but public schools cant afford them! Why are kids who will never be productive in the least ever being rolled (lol, bad taste) to these schools like its some fucking convalescent home? This isnt some generalized abstract bullshit and its not pulling some mom who needs welfare off of it, its the truth and its quite specific.
And if you think this is a deteriorating process which has been slowly eroding at our society, its not. Our care "net" is cast out wider than it ever was, which is the fucking problem. ADD and autism are new, not old. And the ones sitting pretty are no one in this situation, cause normal kids get fucked w bigger classes and overworked teachers, unemployed teachers cant get work, and the special ed kids who cant wipe their own ass still cant wipe their own ass at the end of a costly (to the taxpayers) day. So you tell me who stands to benefit from my plan? The small minority pulling strings from behind a curtain or regular folks like me and you, who dont have a voice because they arent "different" enough?
--- End quote ---
I don't understand your rebuttal, the reason why the world is up shits creek is due to the expansion of debt, due to the fact that this expansion was being avoided by the richest through their bullshit tax havens, or the bullshit taxes applied to wall street etc.
It's theft on an unimaginable scale and on top of which is the offshoring of millions upon millions of jobs. Or the 2 trillion, 3 trillion, etc stolen by from the pentagon budget. The corruption is so common, so inherent, that it's become a cultural aspect of business and government alike. I do agree however that the state should be the ones to deem what is and isn't acceptable to be spending money on.
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Well, probably because you are arguing something that has nothing to do with the SPECIFIC topic we are discussing. My rebuttal applied to the small part of your post that applied here, which is a very specific debate on how to control education spending and how to route the money. Yes you can argue about tax code, out of control defense spending, jobs being shipped off, but we're kinda talking about special education, who's eligible, and how big the program should be. See?
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