Author Topic: Who is the best Heavyweight in MMA? (Read 124 times)

rayallen0 · « **on:** October 09, 2011, 03:05:15 PM »

so for a lil info on how they are doing right now i have put how there last 3 fights went.

Cain Velasquez:
1. Win: Brock Lesnar, TKO (punches), 4:12 round 1, Won UFC Heavyweight Championship; Knockout of the Night.
2. Win: Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira, KO (punches), 2:20 round 1, UFC Heavyweight title eliminator; Knockout of the Night.
3. Win: Ben Rothwell, TKO (punches), 0:58 Round 2

Junior Dos Santos:
1. Win: Shane Carwin, Decision (unanimous), UFC Heavyweight title eliminator.
2. Win: Roy Nelson, Decision (unanimous), UFC Heavyweight title eliminator.
3. Win: Gabriel Gonzaga, TKO (punches), 3:53 Round 1. Knockout of the Night.

Brock Lesnar:
1. Loss: Cain Velasquez, TKO (punches), 4:12 Round 1, Lost UFC Heavyweight Championship
2. Win: Shane Carwin, Submission (arm triangle choke), 2:19 Round 2, Defended UFC Heavyweight Championship; Submission of the Night
3. Win: Frank Mir, TKO (punches), 1:48 Round 2, Defended UFC Heavyweight Championship. Unified UFC Interim Heavyweight Championship

Alistair Overeem:
1: Win: Fabricio Werdum, Decision (unanimous), Strikeforce Heavyweight Grand Prix Quarterfinal
2. Win: Todd Duffee, KO (punches), 0:19 Round 1, Won Dream Interim Heavyweight Championship.
3. Win: Brett Rogers, TKO (punches), 3:40 Round 1, Defended Strikeforce Heavyweight Championship.Later vacated title.

Fabricio Werdum:
1. Loss: Alistair Overeem, Decision (unanimous), Quarterfinal of Strikeforce HW Tournament.
2. Win: Fedor Emelianenko, Submission (triangle armbar), 1:09 Round 1, Sherdog 2010 Upset of the Year; MMA Awards 2010 Submission of the Year
3. Win: Antonio Silva, Decision (unanimous)

Daniel Cormier
1. Win: Antonio Silva, KO (punches), 3:56 Round 1, Strikeforce Grand Prix Semifinal Bout
2. Win: Jeff Monson, Decision (unanimous), Strikeforce Grand Prix Alternate Bout
3. Win: Devin Cole, Decision (unanimous)

Antonio Silva:
1. Loss: Daniel Cormier, KO (punches), 3:56 Round 1, Strikeforce Heavyweight Tournament Semifinal
2. Win: Fedor Emelianenko, TKO (doctor stoppage), 5:00 Round 2, Strikeforce Heavyweight Tournament Quarterfinal
3. Win: Mike Kyle, TKO (punches), 2:49 Round 2

Fedor Emelianenko:
1. Loss: Dan Henderson, TKO (punches), 4:12 Round 1
2. Loss: Antonio Silva, TKO (doctor stoppage), 5:00 Round 2, Strikeforce Heavyweight Grand Prix Quarterfinal
3. Loss: Fabricio Werdum, Submission (triangle/armbar), 1:09 Round 1

Shane Carwin:
1. Loss: Junior dos Santos, Decision (unanimous), UFC Heavyweight title eliminator
2. Loss: Brock Lesnar, Submission (arm-triangle choke), 2:19 Round 2, For UFC Heavyweight Championship.
3. Win: Frank Mir, KO (punches), 3:48 Round 1, Won UFC Interim Heavyweight Championship. Knockout of the Night.

Frank Mir:
1. Win: Roy Nelson, Decision (unanimous)
2. Win: Mirko Filipović, KO (knee), 4:02 Round 3
3. Loss: Shane Carwin, KO (punches), 3:48 Round 1, For UFC Interim Heavyweight Championship.

Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira:
1. Win: Brendan Schaub, KO (punches), 3:09 Round 1, Knockout of the Night
2. Loss: Cain Velasquez, KO (punches), 2:20 Round 1, UFC Heavyweight title eliminator
3. Win: Randy Couture, Decision (unanimous), Fight of the Night

Josh Barnett:
1. Win: Sergei Kharitonov, Submission (arm-triangle choke), 4:28 Round 1, Semifinals of Strikeforce Heavyweight Grand Prix
2. Win: Brett Rogers, Submission (arm-triangle choke), 1:17 Round 2, Quarterfinals of Strikeforce Heavyweight Grand Prix
3. Win: Geronimo dos Santos, TKO (punches), 2:35 Round 1

Roy Nelson:
1. Loss: Frank Mir, Decision (unanimous)
2. Loss: Junior dos Santos, Decision (unanimous), UFC Heavyweight title eliminator.
3. Win: Stefan Struve, KO (punches), 0:39 Round 1, Knockout of the Night.

Cole Konrad:
1. Win: Paul Buentello, Decision (unanimous), Non-title bout.
2. Win: Neil Grove, Submission (keylock), 4:45 Round 1, Won Bellator Season 3 Heavyweight Tournament. Became first Bellator Heavyweight Champion
3. Win: Damian Grabowski, Decision (unanimous), Bellator Season 3 Heavyweight Tournament Semifinal.

Brendan Schaub:
1. Loss: Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira, KO (punches), 3:09 Round 1
2. Win: Mirko Filipović, KO (punch), 3:44 Round 3, Knockout of the Night
3. Win: Gabriel Gonzaga, Decision (unanimous)

Cheick Kongo:
1. Win: Pat Barry, KO (punches), 2:39 Round 1, Knockout of the Night.
2. Draw: Travis Browne, Draw (unanimous), Kongo had a point deducted for holding onto Browne's shorts.
3. Win: Paul Buentello, Submission (elbows to the body), 3:16 Round 1

Gabriel Gonzaga:
1. Win: Parker Porter, Submission (arm-triangle choke), 1:50 Round 3
2. Loss: Brendan Schaub, Decision (unanimous)
3. Loss: Junior dos Santos, KO (punches), 3:53 Round 1

Travis Browne:
1. Win: Rob Broughton, Decision (unanimous)
2. Win: Stefan Struve, KO (superman punch), 4:11 Round 1, Knockout of the Night
3. Draw: Cheick Kongo, Draw (unanimous), Kongo had a point deducted for holding onto Browne's shorts.

Mike Russow:
1. Win: Jon Madsen, TKO (doctor stoppage), 5:00 Round 2
2. Win: Todd Duffee, KO (punch), 2:33 Round 3, Knockout of the Night
3. Win: Justin McCully, Decision (unanimous)

Stefan Struve:
1. Win: Pat Barry, Submission (triangle choke), 3:22 Round 2, Submission of the Night.
2. Loss: Travis Browne, KO (superman punch), 4:11 Round 1
3. Win: Sean McCorkle, TKO (punches), 3:55 Round 1

Shamil Abdurahimov:
1. Win: Marcos Oliveira, TKO (punches), 1:55 Round 1, Finals of the 2010 Openweight Grand Prix
2. Win: Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou, TKO (punches), 2:17 Round 3, Semifinals of the 2010 Openweight Grand Prix
3. Win: Jeff Monson, Decision (split), Quarterfinals of the 2010 Openweight Grand Prix

Sergei Kharitonov:
1. Loss: Josh Barnett, Submission (arm-triangle choke), 4:28 Round 1, Strikeforce Heavyweight Grand Prix Semifinals
2. Win: Andrei Arlovski, KO (punches), 2:49 Round 1, Strikeforce Heavyweight Grand Prix Quarterfinals
3. Win: Tatsuya Mizuno, KO (knee), 1:25 Round 1

Dave Herman:
1. Win: Jon Olav Einemo, TKO (punches), 3:19 Round 2, Fight of the Night
2. Win: Yoshihiro Nakao, Decision (unanimous)
3. Win: Michał Kita, Submission (omoplata), 3:16 Round 1

Jeff Monson:
1. Loss: Daniel Cormier, Decision (unanimous), Strikeforce Grand Prix Alternate Bout
2. Win: Maro Perak, Decision (unanimous), Won SHC Heavyweight Championship
3. Win: Tony Lopez, Decision (unanimous), Won ISKA Heavyweight World Title

Shane del Rosario:
1. Win: Lavar Johnson, Submission (armbar), 4:31 Round 1
2. Win: TKO (knees and punches), 3:48 Round 1
3. Win: Brandon Cash, Submission (omoplata), 2:57 Round 1

Mietek23 · « **Reply #1 on:** October 11, 2011, 04:03:39 AM »

I gotta go with Alistair Overeem - I'll say his the most complete fighter in the heavyweight division right now. Can't wait for his fight with Brock

bouli77 · « **Reply #2 on:** October 12, 2011, 11:11:40 AM »

Velasquez is the best IMO.

but i had to vote for my countryman Cheick Kongo

Triple OG Rapsodie · « **Reply #3 on:** October 12, 2011, 01:29:56 PM »

Probably only 5 of these fighters even belong in this conversation. I like Dos Santos, but not sure he can get through Velasquez. Overeem will be exposed once he gets a couple of ufc fights and probably end up being a gatekeeper. Daniel Cormier looks promising though he needs to face some elite fighters.

Velasquez is the most complete fighter out there. The best wrestler in the division with great standup and knockout power. Dos Santos has the best standup I've seen though. Either of them would run through Overeem.

rayallen0 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 12, 2011, 05:02:13 PM »

Quote from: Spice 2 sees the bitch in you on October 12, 2011, 01:29:56 PM

Probably only 5 of these fighters even belong in this conversation. I like Dos Santos, but not sure he can get through Velasquez. Overeem will be exposed once he gets a couple of ufc fights and probably end up being a gatekeeper. Daniel Cormier looks promising though he needs to face some elite fighters.

Velasquez is the most complete fighter out there. The best wrestler in the division with great standup and knockout power. Dos Santos has the best standup I've seen though. Either of them would run through Overeem.

i take it you dont like Overeem?

Triple OG Rapsodie · « **Reply #5 on:** October 12, 2011, 06:45:42 PM »

Quote from: rayallen0 on October 12, 2011, 05:02:13 PM

Quote from: Spice 2 sees the bitch in you on October 12, 2011, 01:29:56 PM
Probably only 5 of these fighters even belong in this conversation. I like Dos Santos, but not sure he can get through Velasquez. Overeem will be exposed once he gets a couple of ufc fights and probably end up being a gatekeeper. Daniel Cormier looks promising though he needs to face some elite fighters.

Velasquez is the most complete fighter out there. The best wrestler in the division with great standup and knockout power. Dos Santos has the best standup I've seen though. Either of them would run through Overeem.
i take it you dont like Overeem?

Nah, just haven't been impressed with what I've seen of him. His record shows he's never beaten an elite fighter. In the past two years he's looked great against cans and bad against Werdum.

rayallen0 · « **Reply #6 on:** October 12, 2011, 07:59:58 PM »

Quote from: Spice 2 sees the bitch in you on October 12, 2011, 06:45:42 PM

Quote from: rayallen0 on October 12, 2011, 05:02:13 PM
Quote from: Spice 2 sees the bitch in you on October 12, 2011, 01:29:56 PM
Probably only 5 of these fighters even belong in this conversation. I like Dos Santos, but not sure he can get through Velasquez. Overeem will be exposed once he gets a couple of ufc fights and probably end up being a gatekeeper. Daniel Cormier looks promising though he needs to face some elite fighters.

Velasquez is the most complete fighter out there. The best wrestler in the division with great standup and knockout power. Dos Santos has the best standup I've seen though. Either of them would run through Overeem.
i take it you dont like Overeem?

Nah, just haven't been impressed with what I've seen of him. His record shows he's never beaten an elite fighter. In the past two years he's looked great against cans and bad against Werdum.

well he did beat Rogers when he was still considered a contender and he beat Belfort twice, Kharitonov & Vovchanchyn. and although his fight with Werdrum wasnt fun to watch he clearly won and as the legendary Frank Shamrock so often says "a win is a win is a win". im not saying he is the best but i do think he is a top 5 HW.