Who should get the title shot against JDS to replace Overeem?

[rayallen0]

I hope Overeem/JDS still happens but Mir is the #1 option.

[Sikotic™]

Dana hates Fedor so that'll never happen. I think it would be an interesting exchange though.

Barnett and Cormier are still in the running for the Strikforce title right?

I'd like to see Hendo personally, but Dana has always had a hard on for Mir, so he'll likely get it.

[rayallen0]

ya but Dana said even worse things about Kimbo and then signed him.

as for strikeforce i feel like Dana would cancel it on a whim if it was for the UFC.

Mir deserves the shot not just cuz of Dana liking him. He beat Nelson, Cro Cop & Big Nog. and he broke big nogs fucking arm. He has never fought JDS before either. Dana promised to keep the Cain/Mir fight though so wouldn't be suprised if A. He knew Overeem would be cleared to fight or B. He already talked to Hendo and set it up.

[Sikotic™]

ya but Dana said even worse things about Kimbo and then signed him.

as for strikeforce i feel like Dana would cancel it on a whim if it was for the UFC.

Mir deserves the shot not just cuz of Dana liking him. He beat Nelson, Cro Cop & Big Nog. and he broke big nogs fucking arm. He has never fought JDS before either. Dana promised to keep the Cain/Mir fight though so wouldn't be suprised if A. He knew Overeem would be cleared to fight or B. He already talked to Hendo and set it up.

I don't even understand the purpose of Strikeforce anymore if Dana is just gonna gut the organization and throw all of their good fighters into the UFC. Unless he's using it as a feeder organization or something.

You did make a good point about Mir's recent wins. Though Cro Cop is over the hill, the big nog fight and Nelson fight were impressive. I really have no beef if that fight happens.

[rayallen0]

Well he is leaving Gilbert Melendez in Strikeforce...which is a weird ass choice considering Lightweight is one of the weakest divisions in the UFC.

Strikeforce is getting rid of the heavyweight division entirely after the Cormier vs. Barnett fight.

Werdum is also in the running but he already fought JDS and it didn't go very well. so think Mir is the clear cut choice. Mark Hunt may get it because he has a lot of fans asking for it and dana does listen to the fans.

[Triple OG Rapsodie]

Fuck you Overeem, you just killed my interest in a title fight. Mir's the only one who deserves the shot. And I'd expect him to get KOed quickly.

[Triple OG Rapsodie]

Well he is leaving Gilbert Melendez in Strikeforce...which is a weird ass choice considering Lightweight is one of the weakest divisions in the UFC.

You're crazy, lightweight is probably the most stacked division right now. Bendo has the belt and Edgar, Diaz, Pettis, Maynard, Miller, Guida are all in the mix. I could see any of those fighters holding the belt, and there's a bunch of other fighters on the roster who could be contending in the next year with a few more wins. Barboza, Dunham, Cerrone, Ferguson, etc. Melendez would be good for one interesting title fight, other than that he doesn't add anything to the division.

[Nutty]

Mark Hunt may get it because he has a lot of fans asking for it and dana does listen to the fans.

Would be cool if he got a shot.... dude's a kiwi too.

[rayallen0]

Well he is leaving Gilbert Melendez in Strikeforce...which is a weird ass choice considering Lightweight is one of the weakest divisions in the UFC.

You're crazy, lightweight is probably the most stacked division right now. Bendo has the belt and Edgar, Diaz, Pettis, Maynard, Miller, Guida are all in the mix. I could see any of those fighters holding the belt, and there's a bunch of other fighters on the roster who could be contending in the next year with a few more wins. Barboza, Dunham, Cerrone, Ferguson, etc. Melendez would be good for one interesting title fight, other than that he doesn't add anything to the division.

let me rephrase it, 2 of the best LW fighters are out of the UFC (Aoki & Melendez) both of those guys could contend for a belt.

lets look at the divisions
HW: JDS, Cain, Mir, Overeem, Werdum, Carwin, Big Nog & Big Foot Silva all making the division competitive and Cormier & Barnett will come over soon to make it even more stacked.
LHW: Jones, Rashad, Shogun, Hendo, Machida, Phil Davis, Bader, Rampage, Gustafsson, Lil Nog, etc...all the great LHWs are in the UFC.
MW: Silva, Sonnen, Belfort, Munoz, Bisping, Okami, Weidman, Stann, & Palhares. The only fighter out of the UFC i could see contend for the belt would be Hector Lombard.
WW: MacDonald, Condit, GSP, Ellenberger, Koscheck, Diaz, Hendricks, Fitch, Kampmann & Shields are all in the fight for the #1 spot.
LW: already talked about it.
FW: Aldo, Mendes, Poirier, Hioki, Nunes, Sung Jung, Hominick, Koch. 2 fighters that need to be in the UFC asap are Pat Curran & Marlon Sandro.
BW: Cruz, Faber, Jorgensen, Bowles, Torres, Pickett, Barao, McDonald, Wineland, & Mizugaki. stacked all the way through.
FW: McCall, Benavidez, Mighty Mouse, Urushitani, & Dodson. This is the actual weakest division as it was just made. Some fighters i think will be coming to the UFC soon. Jussier da Silva, Mamoru Yamaguchi, Dustin Ortiz, Shinichi Kojima, & Darrell Montague.

[Triple OG Rapsodie]

Well he is leaving Gilbert Melendez in Strikeforce...which is a weird ass choice considering Lightweight is one of the weakest divisions in the UFC.

You're crazy, lightweight is probably the most stacked division right now. Bendo has the belt and Edgar, Diaz, Pettis, Maynard, Miller, Guida are all in the mix. I could see any of those fighters holding the belt, and there's a bunch of other fighters on the roster who could be contending in the next year with a few more wins. Barboza, Dunham, Cerrone, Ferguson, etc. Melendez would be good for one interesting title fight, other than that he doesn't add anything to the division.

let me rephrase it, 2 of the best LW fighters are out of the UFC (Aoki & Melendez) both of those guys could contend for a belt.

lets look at the divisions
HW: JDS, Cain, Mir, Overeem, Werdum, Carwin, Big Nog & Big Foot Silva all making the division competitive and Cormier & Barnett will come over soon to make it even more stacked.
LHW: Jones, Rashad, Shogun, Hendo, Machida, Phil Davis, Bader, Rampage, Gustafsson, Lil Nog, etc...all the great LHWs are in the UFC.
MW: Silva, Sonnen, Belfort, Munoz, Bisping, Okami, Weidman, Stann, & Palhares. The only fighter out of the UFC i could see contend for the belt would be Hector Lombard.
WW: MacDonald, Condit, GSP, Ellenberger, Koscheck, Diaz, Hendricks, Fitch, Kampmann & Shields are all in the fight for the #1 spot.
LW: already talked about it.
FW: Aldo, Mendes, Poirier, Hioki, Nunes, Sung Jung, Hominick, Koch. 2 fighters that need to be in the UFC asap are Pat Curran & Marlon Sandro.
BW: Cruz, Faber, Jorgensen, Bowles, Torres, Pickett, Barao, McDonald, Wineland, & Mizugaki. stacked all the way through.
FW: McCall, Benavidez, Mighty Mouse, Urushitani, & Dodson. This is the actual weakest division as it was just made. Some fighters i think will be coming to the UFC soon. Jussier da Silva, Mamoru Yamaguchi, Dustin Ortiz, Shinichi Kojima, & Darrell Montague.

So because 2 fighters have inflated records fighting outside the UFC makes the UFC's lightweight division weak? I think not. You basically proved my point for me by listing less contenders than I did. And a lot of those are stretching it.

HW: always has been an incredibly weak division. There is a huge gap between the top 3 and everyone else, to the point there are no interesting fights for JDS except a rematch with the guy he just KOed. That said, almost all the best heavyweights are in the UFC. There just aren't very many big men who are great fighters.

LHW: How many of those fighters you listed do you see as serious contenders for the belt? Pretty much only Rashad has a chance and he's still an underdog.

MW: Again, who in that list is a serious contender for a belt? You know your division is weak when Bisping is one of the top fighters in it. No one there is a serious threat after a rematch with Sonnen, unless Hector Lombard or Alexander Shlemenko come over and make a splash.

WW: This division is only interesting because GSP is injured. There are fighters outside the UFC who could contend with Carlos Condit. Ben Askren would lay n pray all day for the win. 

FW: Who is serious competition for Aldo in the UFC? The best challenges are outside with Curran, Sandro or Pitbull.

BW: You know you don't have a stacked division when you're mentioning Mizugaki and Wineland. Makovsky and Dantas are easily top 10 material. The lighter weights in general have more good fighters outside the UFC.

I think I proved my point. Lightweight is by far the most competitive division right now and has as much talent as any other division.

[rayallen0]

inflated?

Melendez beat Clay Guida, Rumina Sato, Josh Thomson, Shinya Aoki, Tatsuya Kawajiri 2X & Mitsuhiro Ishida
Aoki beat George Sotiropoulos, Joachim Hansen 2X, Caol Uno, Eddie Alvarez,  Vitor Ribeiro & Tatsuya Kawajiri,

half the fighters you named in the UFC LW division have half as impressive records.

and Dan Henderson has a chance against Jones as well. Also Phil Davis is still improving and soon enough will be the #1 contender.

[Triple OG Rapsodie]

inflated?

Melendez beat Clay Guida, Rumina Sato, Josh Thomson, Shinya Aoki, Tatsuya Kawajiri 2X & Mitsuhiro Ishida
Aoki beat George Sotiropoulos, Joachim Hansen 2X, Caol Uno, Eddie Alvarez,  Vitor Ribeiro & Tatsuya Kawajiri,

half the fighters you named in the UFC LW division have half as impressive records.

and Dan Henderson has a chance against Jones as well. Also Phil Davis is still improving and soon enough will be the #1 contender.

So a split decision win over Clay Guida means you can win the title? Sorry but saying the lightweight division is weak is a pretty ludicrous statement. Having a couple good fighters outside the UFC doesn't make it weak. Especially looking at the level of talent that's there.

Do you really think Hendo has anything other than a punchers chance? And Phil Davis got dominated in every aspect of the game by Evans. He's got a long way to go.

[rayallen0]

1. i named like 10 fighters he beat and anybody who has followed Melendez career knows he should be getting a title shot ASAP in the UFC. the weak division wasn't the right word just tired of every title fight being a rematch.
2. I don't really thing anybody has a shot against Jones but Hendo has just as good of a chance against him as Rashad.
3. Davis lasted 5 rounds with Shad coming off an injury. He didn't do well and will go back to training hard. He is a beast and has all the potential in the world. give him a year with him being healthy and i see him being the #1 contender easy.

[Triple OG Rapsodie]

1. i named like 10 fighters he beat and anybody who has followed Melendez career knows he should be getting a title shot ASAP in the UFC. the weak division wasn't the right word just tired of every title fight being a rematch.
2. I don't really thing anybody has a shot against Jones but Hendo has just as good of a chance against him as Rashad.
3. Davis lasted 5 rounds with Shad coming off an injury. He didn't do well and will go back to training hard. He is a beast and has all the potential in the world. give him a year with him being healthy and i see him being the #1 contender easy.

1. Oh I have no doubt they would give him a title shot and sell the Strikeforce champ angle, much like they were going to do with Diaz. I just don't see him winning it. Just because Frankie is the one getting a rematch doesn't take away from the fact there are many other interesting title fights in the division. That's not the case in a weak division.

2. Hendo isn't as fast as Rashad and he has a problem with cardio. If he can't get inside Jones reach and KO him he's getting submitted easily.

3. He lasted 5 rounds of being outstruck and outgrappled by a superior fighter. That's like saying Nelson will fight for the belt because he survived losing to Mir and JDS. Just because the guy is young doesn't mean he'll be an elite fighter in a year.

[rayallen0]

no it doesnt.

Alexander Gustafsson, Brian Stann & Lil Nog are no jokes. Dude has crazy athleticism and wrestling. As he keeps training with guys like Dominick Cruz his all around MMA game will only get better.

It isn't weak i misspoke im just getting tired of rematches every time. They are good fights just would like some new blood.