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Bynum=triple double+gets NBA record 10 blocks in playoff game.
Chamillitary Click:
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--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on May 02, 2012, 06:02:16 PM ---So athleticism, leaping ability, strength, ability & skill to box out & height play absolutely no role in being a rebounder. They are irrelevant attributes that make no difference in the paint.
Please, all-mighty one, explain to me the art of rebounding. I thirst for your knowledge.
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I never said jumping high doesn't factor into the equation, but there are many other factors. Like I said, who is a better rebounder, deandre Jordan or Kevin love?
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Oh, wise one. Please educate me with the "many" other factors outside of the five I mentioned above. I yearn for knowledge.
However, master, I have a question for you. What leads you to believe Kevin Love in a better rebounder? The fact STATISTICS tell you that he averages five more rebounds a game? Naturally we agree Kevin Love is a better rebounder because he averages more rebounds a game. Just like like if DeAndre averaged 18 rebounds a game, we'd think he's the best rebounder. But those numbers say Dwight is the best rebounder.
But in DeAndre's defense, he plays with Blake Griffin, who averages 11 a game, so "in an ideal situation where Blake Griffin wasn't playing, he'd PROBABLY (not positive, but it's as good a guess as any) would average 15 rebounds a game, making him the best rebounder in the league". Now how dumb does that sound?
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first of all, beating peeps to spots and having a knack for knowing where the ball is coming off the rim factors a whole lot into being a good rebounder. also, timing has a lot to do with it, as well. fact is, if being athletic automatically meant being a better rebounder, then the top rebound specialists in the league would be athletic freaks, as opposed to having the athleticism of a reggie evans, who's per 36 rebounding numbers are through the roof. is joakim noah an athletic freak? zach randolph? was charles oakley jumpin out the gym? pretty sure marcus camby can barely even leave his feet, yet he is still a top rebounder...so the fact that u said "it's physically impossible for bynum to be a better rebounder because he cant do the same things physically" proves ur dumbness when it comes to analyzing basketball. all i'm sayin.
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Just admit that you're just going to bring something up until "NIK is right & Cham is wrong" because you're just reaching. You're crediting Andrew Bynum for "having a knack", not a skill, just a "hunch" of knowing where somebody will be. Everybody in the NBA is an athletic freak, you idiot. But if you're going to deny Dwight Howard isn't the IDEAL build for a basketball player & JUST SO HAPPENS to be the best rebounder in basketball, just let me know, so I can stop this nonsense now. It's pretty simple. Kevin Love, Noah, Randolph, big physical bodies who know how to use it. Camby has the lankiness and wingspan of two people, along with McGee. Then you have Dwight & Blake who just freakishly dominate the boards with athletic ability. But at the end of the day, these PROFESSIONAL basketball players all know how to time a rebound & box out, so at that level, Dwight being stronger & being able to out jump Bynum will make him a better rebounder. What aren't you understanding outside of you just saying whatever you can to come out on top? You literally took one quote & just rode it to death. Then misquoted it on top of that. I didn't say "athletic ability = amazing rebounder". I said DWIGHT'S, his athleticism is what sets him ahead of BYNUM. It was a comparison from player to player. Dwight is obviously skilled, Bynum is obviously skilled. So between them Dwight's athletic ability, along side with his skill makes him better.
But you still ignored why you think Kevin Love is such a great rebounder? The statistics. If he averaged eight a game, you wouldn't consider him the best rebounder. Simple as that.
Sccit:
i'm gunna stop, this is gettin way too dumb
Meho:
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on May 02, 2012, 04:00:32 PM ---You boys are just foolish making sports, eight second affairs. Like the last inning of Baseball or the last thirty seconds of basketball. You guys literally, not even an exaggeration, just don't count 47 minutes & 30 seconds of a game. It's actually astonishing. LeBron James has made it impossible in this series against the Knicks to show "IT" becuase he does "IT" better than anybody else in the playoffs right now & he's winning an average of 20 points per game. & Meho, get the fuck outta here lol. I've played in Baseball, Football, Basketball, Lacrosse leagues. Soccer with friends. I've probably played Hockey in more accumulated time than you've simply made your heart rate go up to 100 beats a minute & I'll include jerking off for you.
Anyway. I don't see where you see this "IT" factor when Bynum was getting benched for not even caring about the team & throwing up three's & saying "Ha, I'll do it again if Mike Brown ever plays me again" lol. Bynum is a great talent. There is no denying that. He's still a child in terms of age & hasn't even reached his prime. But the way you guys judge players with your subjective & in most cases really biased, intangibles we can't measure, it's just pure opinion. Like really? You're really saying, "Well he has more "IT" (some non-measurable form of talent that varies from a person-to-person perspective) than him, so he's just better". I might as well just say, well Derek Jeter just has more "IT" than Albert Pujols, so Jeter is just "X" amount times better than Albert. You don't see the flaws there? I'd rather just hear a "well he doesn't have rings" argument than telling me you see something inside the soul of a player lol.
& NIK, don't derail this thread by coming in here & see you have some "support" against me & just say "lol, Cham's an idiot". Any unbiased man would acknowledge there is tons of validity here, you Laker fans just get stubborn when everything isn't "I LOVE THE LAKERS".
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I don't know how you can't see this. Yes, Lebron plays so great that the IT or clutch factors isn't necessary. Almost always. Almost. In every sport you have guys that dominate but there's always an opponent out there, where you can't dominate like that. Where things get edgy. Pressure. You know that one play can decide the faith of the whole game. It's never so easy. That's why Lebron was beasting and cruising the whole season last year, until Dallas showed up in the finals and they couldn't just dominate like that. That's when his true colors had shown.
M Dogg™:
--- Quote from: NIKCC on May 02, 2012, 08:31:14 PM ---i'm gunna stop, this is gettin way too dumb
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Agreed
I will say this as my closing statement.
You ask why the last moments of a game are so important. Well that's when the game is won. Kobe closes games. At the same time he keeps his teams in the game long enough to give himself a chance to win. If you play sports, you know that there are different parts of a game. The beginning, when you are starting to get to know how the game will go, the middle when you are trying to get a lead and give yourself a chance to win, and then end when you close out the game. Kobe is better at closing then anyone today.
You talk about talent, Wilt Chamberlain had more talent that Bill Russell, even had more talent around him than Russell in 1969. The '69 Lakers might have been the most talented team in NBA history. That talent did not lead to a championship as Russell had that "IT" factor, that clutch factor. Russell proved over and over that he was better than Chamberlain. On talent, Chamberlain was heads and shoulders better than Russell, but Russell just always beat Wilt. You can't explain it.
LeBron is Wilt, his better than everyone. He has talent that no one else has. Same with Howard. Howard is the most talented big man in the league right now. But Kobe has won more titles LBJ, and right now I'd rather have Bynum on my team than Howard. And you can look up my history, I begged the Lakers to trade Bynum for Howard. I wanted Howard on the Lakers more than anyone here. But right now, if people think Bynum is acting up, Howard is a drama queen right now. A tossed up 3 and benching is nothing compared to the drama Howard has had this year, including trying to get Stan Van Gundy fired. Bynum is acting like a 5 year old who had his Power Ranger taken away, Howard is acting like a 3 year old who is learning to come off the bottle. But in terms of competing, Bynum is stepping up. 10 blocks and 13 rebounds in a playoff game, coming up big when it counts most. Bynum is starting to show signs of maturing a bit. If I was the Lakers, and I'm not, I'd rehire Kareem to mentor Bynum some more and help him in the next faze of his career.
Chamillitary Click:
--- Quote from: M Dogg on May 03, 2012, 01:28:13 PM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on May 02, 2012, 08:31:14 PM ---i'm gunna stop, this is gettin way too dumb
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On talent, Chamberlain was heads and shoulders better than Russell, but Russell just always beat Wilt. You can't explain it.
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Yes you can lol. I can't speak on that because I wasn't relatively close to being around then, but to compare it to today, it's like how the Lakers always beat the Kings in the playoffs. The Lakers just had more talent. It's a team game. If you pin winning & losing on one player from the winning team beating one player from the losing team, you're lost already.
I mean you guys are all Laker fans, so it makes sense for you guys to be more entrapped in this "alternate world" where people play better in the last thirty seconds than they do for the other forty-seven and a half. They've thrown Kobe & all his highlights at you for years. It's good for business. Take away Jordan being larger than life & Nike isn't where it's at, the Jordan brand is no bigger than Chris Bosh's shoes (exaggeration, relax) & the NBA doesn't have a name to market for future players to live up to being. I guarantee that in the late 80's people were saying the same thing about Jordan, how he isn't Bird or Magic. MJ won rings, hit a few shots for highlight makers to throw at you making you think he shots "better" in the last seconds than he did for the rest of the game & now you have the face of the sport. They're doing it it with Kobe & then if LeBron starts winning, him & then Durant & so on. It's so simple, but they know people become so connected with these teams & players & you'll ride to the death before you listen to someone like me. Facts are just facts, they shoot similarly & in most cases worse in the closing minutes than they do for the rest of the game, it just comes down to who has the most in order to market you.
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