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Jordan never took tough shots the way Kobe does...
teecee:
NIK: forget media. Is MJ not the most accomplished player of all time, when you combine individual and team accomplishments? Only Jabbar is messing with him. The media has nothing to do with how good Jordan was, only how good people perceive him to be. fact of the matter
Is Jordan hit game winners and clutch shots on a level no one had seen before, shot at an extremely high percentage for a perimeter player, was a great defensive player, was the best scorer since Wilt, won 6 championships despite arriving to a shit team, despite never being on a team with a post player who could carry any part of the burden defensively. Jordan was not flawless like people will have you believe, but he was great at both ends, played his best when it mattered most, and is the man Kobe has clearly modeled his game after. Not sure why you don't think he's the best man- forget the media and judge for yourself.
Sccit:
--- Quote from: teecee on May 28, 2012, 05:14:04 PM ---NIK: forget media. Is MJ not the most accomplished player of all time, when you combine individual and team accomplishments? Only Jabbar is messing with him. The media has nothing to do with how good Jordan was, only how good people perceive him to be. fact of the matter
Is Jordan hit game winners and clutch shots on a level no one had seen before, shot at an extremely high percentage for a perimeter player, was a great defensive player, was the best scorer since Wilt, won 6 championships despite arriving to a shit team, despite never being on a team with a post player who could carry any part of the burden defensively. Jordan was not flawless like people will have you believe, but he was great at both ends, played his best when it mattered most, and is the man Kobe has clearly modeled his game after. Not sure why you don't think he's the best man- forget the media and judge for yourself.
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like i said, in terms of career accomplishments, kobe will never match jordan...but if accomplishments was what we went by, Bill Russell is GOAT. Jordan and Kobe were drafted into two completely different situations...Jordan came out of college and was handed the keys to a struggling franchise, where he could put up unlimited stats from day 1. He kept losing until he had the perfect team built around him. Kobe came out of high school to the greatest NBA franchise of all time, and wasnt expected to do much. He had to work his way up from coming off the bench, to taking over the franchise, and had to GRAB the keys and run with 'em...still, a lot of his prime years were wasted on sub-par teams, while Jordan's prime years were ALL on great teams. Kobe has shit on Jordan, as well. U wanna talk about who the better scorer is? ask Phil Jackson....nobody, not even Jordan, could score like Kobe could in his prime. Kobe has also had his share of game winners.. in fact, there was one season in which he had 8 game winners. Jordan never came close to that in 1 season. and you wanna say Kobe modeled his game after Jordan?...you're right, he took aspects of Jordan's game and built on em, just like Jordan did with Dr. J...but the bottom line is, Kobe is already regarded as one of the GOATs...when his career and all said and done, i think a lot of people will fall back and realize what the league had in its hands and took for granted. Kobe has never gotten the respect, the push from the league, the media love, the marketing, etc. that the Jordan brand has received...that plays a huge part in why there's a perception that there's a huge gap between Jordan and any other player.
teecee:
NIk, you skew things often, and this is no different. Kobe has 5 titles...partly due to the fact he didn't start with a shit team, but on one with the best player in the league. There was very little pressure on him.
And clearly MJ was the better scorer, because he did it in a much more efficient manner. Kobe obviously has the 81 point game, but all of his 50 point games are nowhere near as impressive as Jordan's. If Kobe was the better scorer, wouldn't his best scoring seasons be better than Jordans??
Of course Kobe is one of the best ever, I'm impressed with how he played in playoffs. Definitely an amazing player
BUt Jordan was just some next shit, championship wise, and individual wise. Russel has him in titles, but RUssel wasn't at all dominate statistically...and how many teams were in the league then?
Sccit:
--- Quote from: teecee on May 28, 2012, 08:20:33 PM ---NIk, you skew things often, and this is no different. Kobe has 5 titles...partly due to the fact he didn't start with a shit team, but on one with the best player in the league. There was very little pressure on him.
And clearly MJ was the better scorer, because he did it in a much more efficient manner. Kobe obviously has the 81 point game, but all of his 50 point games are nowhere near as impressive as Jordan's. If Kobe was the better scorer, wouldn't his best scoring seasons be better than Jordans??
Of course Kobe is one of the best ever, I'm impressed with how he played in playoffs. Definitely an amazing player
BUt Jordan was just some next shit, championship wise, and individual wise. Russel has him in titles, but RUssel wasn't at all dominate statistically...and how many teams were in the league then?
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fact of the matter is, if Kobe was drafted to that Bulls team, he coulda averaged 40 ppg for all we know...when kobe was in his physical prime, he was playing alongside smush parker, kwame brown, and luke walton in the starting line-up...imagine what he could have done with a solid team built around him from age 25 on...as for being a more efficient scorer, u keep goin back to that. shaq was a much more efficient scorer than jordan, would u say he's better? no..shaq simply took easier shots. same goes for jordan..he took easier shots than kobe. was it cause he was a better scorer? no. we cant really say why, but we have to take into account that kobe has played in much different circumstances than jordan. jordan never even reached 70, let alone 80 points... and he has attempted more field goals in a single game than kobe has. in his physical prime, kobe outscored the mavs with 64 points in 3 quarters (then sat the 4th)..there are things kobe has done that jordan hasn't. but as i've always said, we will have 2 come back 2 this when kobe's career is over.
Chamillitary Click:
This kid doesn't even realize what he's saying, that's how hard he's sucking Kobe's dick in these essays.
1. "MJ was handed the keys. Kobe had to work off the bench & wasn't expected to be much."
That just goes to show how much better MJ was from the start. Kobe found his role playing with the last big man to ever average 30 a season. Easily the most dominant big man of all-time, not counting Wilt playing with 6'7'' white dudes. MJ had nothing & turned it into six rings. There is no denying Shaq played a far bigger role. Shaq proved it going to Miami that Kobe needed Shaq more than Shaq needed Kobe. That's three rings right there. Then he dominated the with the Spurs banged up & literally nobody else coming close after stealing, at the time, one of the league's best big man. You yourself said they had the best roster in basketball. Who are you kidding?
2. "Kobe coulda averaged 40 on the Bulls, we don't know."
Homeboy's argument is REALLY, "if he was on the Bulls". SON SAID "IF". How about we just look at what was & not what your homosexual, biased imagination is thinking?
You're disgusting.
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