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Jordan never took tough shots the way Kobe does...
Sccit:
Jordan had better teammates who made the game much easier for him...also, keep in mind, the rules were a lot different back then. there was no zone defense or defensive three seconds in Jordan's era, making it much easier for players to penetrate the lane... also, due to how great those Bulls teams were as a collective unit, there was no triple-teaming or sagging off of other players to guard Jordan...Kobe is forced to take tough shots usually when his teammates are playin like shit and he has to bail them out. Different circumstances. When it comes down to it, Kobe has wasted many of his prime years on bullshit teams, while Jordan spent his prime on GREAT teams. Tell me of another player who averages 30 points in the playoffs in their 16th season...don't worry, i'll wait. Bottom line, I get what you sayin, but u have to take into account the different situations both players were placed in.
Sccit:
--- Quote from: Mekkan Refugee on May 25, 2012, 09:55:22 AM ---
--- Quote from: 7even on May 25, 2012, 02:25:05 AM ---When Jordan lost his athleticism he took turnaround fadeaways as well. He never forced it as much as Kobe does, hence the significantly better FG%. In Kobe's defense, Jordan never really took 3s like that. But maybe Kobe shouldn't either.. or at least less.
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right.. but to me it seems that if Kobe didn't force the issue and just let the game come to him the way Jordan did.. then Kobe would barely average 20 a game. Seems like Kobe has to take those tough shots consistently.
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kobe currently doesn't have the teammates to let the game come to him...when ur second option is gasol and he plays like an 8th option of the bench, then u HAVE to force the issue. much easier to let the game come to u when ur on a great team as opposed to just a good one, ya feel me?
Mietek23:
--- Quote from: NIKCC on May 25, 2012, 08:30:37 PM ---Jordan had better teammates who made the game much easier for him...also, keep in mind, the rules were a lot different back then. there was no zone defense or defensive three seconds in Jordan's era, making it much easier for players to penetrate the lane... also, due to how great those Bulls teams were as a collective unit, there was no triple-teaming or sagging off of other players to guard Jordan...Kobe is forced to take tough shots usually when his teammates are playin like shit and he has to bail them out. Different circumstances. When it comes down to it, Kobe has wasted many of his prime years on bullshit teams, while Jordan spent his prime on GREAT teams. Tell me of another player who averages 30 points in the playoffs in their 16th season...don't worry, i'll wait. Bottom line, I get what you sayin, but u have to take into account the different situations both players were placed in.
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I know your a big Kobe fan but PLEASE - stop it. Just STOP. MJ didn't had better teamates - he had Scottie Pippen, who I agree was able to get him a lot of easy shots due to his great pasing and playmaking skills. Yes, Kobe don't got a player like Pippen around him therefor he must take tougher shots sometimes but let's make clear one thing - HE'S JOCKING SHOTS WAAAY TO MUCH and he dosen't have the same great shot selection Michael had. That's the main reason, his FG% is lower than Jordan's (43% this season).
As far as other teamates goes - either your blind, or your love for Kobe is so big it blurs your vision of reality. Overall, looking at their careers Kobe Bryant played with better teams and teamates. He had Shaq durning the first 3-peat. Not to mention Glen Rice, Big Shot Rob and a couple of other solid players (Fox, Brian Shaw, Fisher etc.). Michael had Pippen and Horace Grant, who has a solid player - other than that, the rest of the Bulls from 91-93 were decent as best. You wanna tell me Pippen has more values as a player than Shaq? LOL! I don't think so. Switch sides and see what happen. The Shaq and Kobe duo just were too immature to put their differences aside them and just play. If they would done that - Lakers would prolly won 5 rings in a row.
In Kobe's second Championship run, he had 2 of the Top 5 big men in the league right now in Bynum and Gasol. I can agree that they played with no heart and passion in some games but talent wise - they were better players than any big man, that played with Jordan durning his whole career. You seem to forget Michael had dudes like Wennington, Cartwright, Perdue, Longley, Kline etc. not to mention all-stars like Jud Buechler, who were just trash. Yeah, Rodman was good, but only in rebounds and defence - on the other side of the floor, he was useless. So it was Pippen and Jordan again, with additional help from Kukoc who was a good player but he never used all of his potential while playing in the NBA. Kobe on the other hand has not only Gasol and Bynum but Lamar Odom and Artest, who is a decent player although little overrated in terms of defence.
So talent wise - Kobe and the Lakers are better hands down. But Jordan and the Bulls fit better together.
And your wrong again with a statement that Kobe wasted his prime years playing on bullshit teams - statisticwise, you are correct. But numbers don't define player's prime. If so, MJ also wasted his prime years with the Bulls, as he was is his statistic-best in years 87 to 89 and who he played with on those Bulls teams, exept Oakley? Paxon? Dave Corzine? Brad Sellers? Ed Nealy? PLEASE. Kobe prime years were 2007-2010 - Michael was at his best from 1991 to 1993. Both of them were still young, had all the talent, shooting and jumping ability etc. and were mature enough to lead their teams to NBA Finals.
The "No Zone Defense" in Jordan playing years is a myth, as teams like Knicks and Detroit Bad Boys were both using zone defense durning their battles with the Bulls:
http://www.youtube.com/v/A6_GgXXR4vA
Also, Michael was getting double and triple teams on a daily basics, specially going on against the Pistons:
http://www.youtube.com/v/5K-qGWkiKvQ http://www.youtube.com/v/NLv2F33snCE
You seem to make everbody believe that today's NBA is so great and players are so better than in the 90' s that it just looks stupid. And the most ridiculous post of all that I read often here is that MJ would have problems playing in the NBA today. People seems to forgot, that an old, injured and slow Michael Jordan at 40 was playing at an all-star level durning the so called "Kobe Bryant era", running the floor, beating young guys with fresh legs off the dribble and scoring 30 and 40 points against the so-called "elite defenders" of today's NBA.
LOL, what a joke.
teecee:
--- Quote from: NIKCC on May 25, 2012, 08:32:44 PM ---
--- Quote from: Mekkan Refugee on May 25, 2012, 09:55:22 AM ---
--- Quote from: 7even on May 25, 2012, 02:25:05 AM ---When Jordan lost his athleticism he took turnaround fadeaways as well. He never forced it as much as Kobe does, hence the significantly better FG%. In Kobe's defense, Jordan never really took 3s like that. But maybe Kobe shouldn't either.. or at least less.
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right.. but to me it seems that if Kobe didn't force the issue and just let the game come to him the way Jordan did.. then Kobe would barely average 20 a game. Seems like Kobe has to take those tough shots consistently.
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kobe currently doesn't have the teammates to let the game come to him...when ur second option is gasol and he plays like an 8th option of the bench, then u HAVE to force the issue. much easier to let the game come to u when ur on a great team as opposed to just a good one, ya feel me?
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So having the "best center" in a league devoid of big men doesn't count?
bouli77:
not big on basketball but how can you take someone who spells Jordan "Jordon" seriously ? on some illiterate shit
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