The Zen Master has spoken.

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NIK you once said Gasol was the best big man in the NBA, just over a year ago

definitely didnt say that just over a year ago.. that woulda been after he fucked up in the Dallas series.

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When they first had Odom, Bynum, Artest & Pau he touted it as arguably the greatest roster ever, not realizing how it would affect his future push for Kobe as GOAT, so he backed down. Pau went from the "best big man", to tissue paper & Bynum went from "the next Wilt" to "one of the better big men in the game" & Odom went from "greatest sixth man" to "just some other nigga".

lol @ comparing Pau to Pippen & acting like "well, that proves that". But that's about all the extra that he had. Pau was playing like Dennis Rodman in that last Finals series, grabbing boards out his ass.

Then a double "lol" to just ignoring the 3-peat team that Kobe was the REAL second fiddle to, where he got the majority of his rings anyway. I'd rather listen to you draw your theories of Jordan playing in a "watered-down" league than listen to you try to compare rosters where Jordan was undeniably the absolute priority to winning.

But then again, you try to say Jordan had no competition ignoring the fact that during the Lakers last three Finals runs, outside of Boston, the league was dead. OKC was garbage, the Spurs were injury ridden, Dirk was labeled the biggest choke in the league, the Suns played no defense & weren't built for the playoffs, Dwight was beating up on everyone but the Cavs & Boston, LeBron was playing with Booby Gibson, Wade had nobody, Rose wasn't even in the league yet. Meanwhile by far the most stacked roster in the NBA ran the table for three years. Surprise, surprise.

This year outside of the Heat & the Thunder is even more of a joke. This roster surpasses anything any "GOAT" has ever played with. Nash, Pau & Dwight? That's a big four.

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When they first had Odom, Bynum, Artest & Pau he touted it as arguably the greatest roster ever

lies....show me where i said this.

lol @ comparing Pau to Pippen & acting like "well, that proves that". But that's about all the extra that he had. Pau was playing like Dennis Rodman in that last Finals series, grabbing boards out his ass.

lol...pau was grabbing boards out his ass? is that why kobe had a game high in rebounds in that epic game-7 showdown? fact of the matter is, theres no doubt pau has delivered. but he's also failed as well. so he is not a player who comes through every time ala pippen, but he still has his beastly moments. if u dont get that, then slap yaself 1 time.

Then a double "lol" to just ignoring the 3-peat team that Kobe was the REAL second fiddle to, where he got the majority of his rings anyway. I'd rather listen to you draw your theories of Jordan playing in a "watered-down" league than listen to you try to compare rosters where Jordan was undeniably the absolute priority to winning.

But then again, you try to say Jordan had no competition ignoring the fact that during the Lakers last three Finals runs, outside of Boston, the league was dead. OKC was garbage, the Spurs were injury ridden, Dirk was labeled the biggest choke in the league, the Suns played no defense & weren't built for the playoffs, Dwight was beating up on everyone but the Cavs & Boston, LeBron was playing with Booby Gibson, Wade had nobody, Rose wasn't even in the league yet. Meanwhile by far the most stacked roster in the NBA ran the table for three years. Surprise, surprise.

This year outside of the Heat & the Thunder is even more of a joke. This roster surpasses anything any "GOAT" has ever played with. Nash, Pau & Dwight? That's a big four.

no ignoring, Kobe played with Shaq for the first half of his career, which hurt his individual accolades as much as it helped him grow as a player. Shaq was the focal point for those 3 titles, but Kobe was just as important. if u look up the averages, they were always neck and neck. but no denying, it was shaq's team, considering kobe was the young dude in town. regardless, kobe was still the best all-around player in the league by age 21, which is remarkable. as for todays Laker roster, lets not act like all these players are in their prime. Nash is good, but it aint like we getting MVP Nash, Pau has already been declining, and Dwight was a fair trade-off for Bynum. It's not some big conspiracy, like Wade+Bosh+LeBron getting together and vowing to sign to the same team. Nash signing to the Lakers is more comparable to Gary Payton going to Miami for the Final title chance. Is the current Laker roster great? yes. Is it the greatest roster of all time? if these players were all in their prime, I'd say it'd be competing for it. but as of today, Kobe is still head-and-shoulders the leader of the team, whereas LeBron and Wade were in a constant struggle when they first got together, with everyone trying to see who's team it was. Wade ended up subsiding (mainly due to injuries), and LeBron took the crown. But dont compare the way the Heat got their firepower to how the Lakers front office did it.

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The only time Pau "didn't bring it" was the year after the last title.

But all three Finals apperances were NOT happening without him.

& lol, Gary Payton was second in the league in assists when he joined the Lakers? Nash was second in assists & played with Grant Hill & Marcin Gortat lol. Dwight is hands down the best big man in the league, & Pau is still better than 95% of the big men in basketball. Antwan even has game in him. Artest can still play. Then you factor in the fact that Kobe is still one of the best in the game & how are you going to act like it's not a fucking joke? They have a top five PG, the best shooting guard besides Wade & the best big man, along side a top ten big man. Artest & Jamison would be focal points to other teams.

& how does it matter how it's handled in the front office? The teams still stand as they are. If anything it was handled better by the Heat because they didn't have to deal with Nash at first saying he'd never year purple and gold & then have Dwight act like he was a lock to go to Brooklyn. It was well put together. But still...it's irrelevant how both came to be; the teams are still stacked.

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But getting back to rosters & shit & Kobe & LeBron, that's what it really comes down to. See, Dwight & Nash might have some absurd chemistry. Plus in Orlando, Dwight was kicking out to Hedo. Now he's kicking back out to Kobe. You have to collapse on him. It's actually the same as having Shaq. It boils down to Kobe having it stupidly easier to get what he wants with the attention on Dwight. It just devalues him so much...like when Shaq was running the show. The inside game makes the outside game & you'll clearly see it.

With the Heat, Bosh is the "big man", but he's clearly inferior to LeBron. He was out for an entire series & it didn't matter lol. Wade is his Pippen, but after that it falls off into nothing but a bunch of shooters. Battier is on par with Artest, I guess. But at the end of the day, you see the importance of LeBron creating just about every play for his team & then in LA you have Kobe just capitalizing on his surrounding. I mean, if Nash managed to play .500 ball in the West with LITERALLY nobody, imagine what he could do with just Dwight & Pau. Easily could see them winning 50+ games without Kobe. With Kobe, we're talking 65+...assuming health.

Not saying that isn't smart. Not saying he shouldn't do that. It'll help win games. Just takes away that Jordan-esque aura from him.

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The only time Pau "didn't bring it" was the year after the last title.

But all three Finals apperances were NOT happening without him.

& lol, Gary Payton was second in the league in assists when he joined the Lakers? Nash was second in assists & played with Grant Hill & Marcin Gortat lol. Dwight is hands down the best big man in the league, & Pau is still better than 95% of the big men in basketball. Antwan even has game in him. Artest can still play. Then you factor in the fact that Kobe is still one of the best in the game & how are you going to act like it's not a fucking joke? They have a top five PG, the best shooting guard besides Wade & the best big man, along side a top ten big man. Artest & Jamison would be focal points to other teams.

& how does it matter how it's handled in the front office? The teams still stand as they are. If anything it was handled better by the Heat because they didn't have to deal with Nash at first saying he'd never year purple and gold & then have Dwight act like he was a lock to go to Brooklyn. It was well put together. But still...it's irrelevant how both came to be; the teams are still stacked.

Pau didn't bring it the last two seasons, and even his first season with the Lakers, he collapsed I'm the Finals vs. Boston, earning him the title "Gasoft"......unlike Pippen who brought it EVERY year. That's is the difference. As for the one season with Payton and Malone, that year was a disaster. Malone was injured that season, it was the rape trial. Just a disastrous season overall.  Now, we have a good roster. Is it showtime Lakers or 3peat Lakers good? I doubt it.. But only time will tell. Fact of the matter is, this is Kobe's team. Make no mistake. When LeBron arrived in south beach, there was automatically a debate as to who's team it was.

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Guna take this time to remind everyone that the Pippen-led Bulls made the Eastern Conference Semi-Finals

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The only time Pau "didn't bring it" was the year after the last title.

But all three Finals apperances were NOT happening without him.

& lol, Gary Payton was second in the league in assists when he joined the Lakers? Nash was second in assists & played with Grant Hill & Marcin Gortat lol. Dwight is hands down the best big man in the league, & Pau is still better than 95% of the big men in basketball. Antwan even has game in him. Artest can still play. Then you factor in the fact that Kobe is still one of the best in the game & how are you going to act like it's not a fucking joke? They have a top five PG, the best shooting guard besides Wade & the best big man, along side a top ten big man. Artest & Jamison would be focal points to other teams.

& how does it matter how it's handled in the front office? The teams still stand as they are. If anything it was handled better by the Heat because they didn't have to deal with Nash at first saying he'd never year purple and gold & then have Dwight act like he was a lock to go to Brooklyn. It was well put together. But still...it's irrelevant how both came to be; the teams are still stacked.

When LeBron arrived in south beach, there was automatically a debate as to who's team it was.

Only due to Wade being there his entire career. It took about two weeks into the season to clearly see who was running the show lol.

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Regardless, my point wasn't that it isn't Kobe's team. Obviously is his team, his city, even if he isn't the best player on it. My point is that Howard is virtually the second coming of Shaq. Don't get me wrong, the media will play it out like it was Kobe's work. So don't fear that my personal knowledge of the truth will be how it gets written down in history if the Lakers win. Nothing will publicly be taken from Kobe despite his roster. He'll have "his" six. But barring Kobe averaging 30-something points a game, Howard will EASILY be the deciding factor as to whether or not the Lakers win.

Wade or Bosh goes down game six of the season & out for the season, the Heat will still make the Finals. Howard's back acts up again & he's out for some time, the Lakers become fairly mediocre.

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The only time Pau "didn't bring it" was the year after the last title.

But all three Finals apperances were NOT happening without him.

& lol, Gary Payton was second in the league in assists when he joined the Lakers? Nash was second in assists & played with Grant Hill & Marcin Gortat lol. Dwight is hands down the best big man in the league, & Pau is still better than 95% of the big men in basketball. Antwan even has game in him. Artest can still play. Then you factor in the fact that Kobe is still one of the best in the game & how are you going to act like it's not a fucking joke? They have a top five PG, the best shooting guard besides Wade & the best big man, along side a top ten big man. Artest & Jamison would be focal points to other teams.

& how does it matter how it's handled in the front office? The teams still stand as they are. If anything it was handled better by the Heat because they didn't have to deal with Nash at first saying he'd never year purple and gold & then have Dwight act like he was a lock to go to Brooklyn. It was well put together. But still...it's irrelevant how both came to be; the teams are still stacked.

When LeBron arrived in south beach, there was automatically a debate as to who's team it was.

Only due to Wade being there his entire career. It took about two weeks into the season to clearly see who was running the show lol.

Not true.. Lebrons first year in Miami they were pretty even. There were times when wade was even lookin like the leader. If wade was in his prime and not injury ridden, it would still be debated.

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Regardless, my point wasn't that it isn't Kobe's team. Obviously is his team, his city, even if he isn't the best player on it. My point is that Howard is virtually the second coming of Shaq. Don't get me wrong, the media will play it out like it was Kobe's work. So don't fear that my personal knowledge of the truth will be how it gets written down in history if the Lakers win. Nothing will publicly be taken from Kobe despite his roster. He'll have "his" six. But barring Kobe averaging 30-something points a game, Howard will EASILY be the deciding factor as to whether or not the Lakers win.

Wade or Bosh goes down game six of the season & out for the season, the Heat will still make the Finals. Howard's back acts up again & he's out for some time, the Lakers become fairly mediocre.

LOL! Dwight Howard is much more comparable to Chris Bosh than he is to Shaq. spare urself the embarrassment and quit while u still can.

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I'm not comparing him to Shaq. I'm comparing him to his dominant play to other big men in the league to Shaq's compared to when he was in his prime. Outside of Bynum, whose injured, he's by far, unequivocally the best big man in the league. Almost to the point it isn't comparable. The drop off from Dwight to next in line is a complete joke. Which I'm comparing to Shaq when he was unguardable.

You like to say he never developed post moves, this & that, but at the end of the day, it's still more than enough to be an absurd force in the middle. Best defensive big man, best rebounding big man & drops 20 a night. He went to the Finals surrounded by a bunch of shooters, now he has a top five point guard, Kobe & a top five 7 footer with him. It makes him even more effective. But in becoming more effective inside, it only devalues Kobe in the sense now he has an absurd amount of help, almost identical to what Shaq provided him which is something unlike Jordan or LeBron have ever seen.

Bosh doesn't do that for LeBron. Bosh occasionally will have a nice 30 point night. But generally is just sitting at that elbow waiting for LeBron to find him & taking jumpshots. He's not drawing defenders away from LeBron. & Wade doesn't do that for LeBron because they play the same style. It's not like Howard for Kobe whose going to draw the entire defense inside. Wade just stands on the other side of the court & watches unless Spoe runs a set that's ran through him.

You can honestly say this team is better than the 3peat team in the respect that Dwight isn't as good as Shaq, but compared to the rest of the league's bigs, he's equally as dominate. The grading curve for big men has significantly dropped in the last decade. Dwight's overall big man game is as good in today's league as Shaq's was a decade ago. Nash is far better than Derek Fisher & Pau is better & more effective than Horry. Kobe hasn't lost that much of a step. ESPN still has him ranked #6 overall, which should be higher because Rose doesn't belong there. Then the combo of Artest & Jamison is better than Rick Fox.

The 3peat team had a top 3 SG & the best center. This years team has a top 5 PG, still a top 3 SG, a top 5 PF in Gasol & the best center in basketball. You got like four of the top twenty players in the league, all at different starting positions. This is the most help Kobe's ever had.

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I'm not comparing him to Shaq. I'm comparing him to his dominant play to other big men in the league to Shaq's compared to when he was in his prime. Outside of Bynum, whose injured, he's by far, unequivocally the best big man in the league. Almost to the point it isn't comparable. The drop off from Dwight to next in line is a complete joke. Which I'm comparing to Shaq when he was unguardable.

You like to say he never developed post moves, this & that, but at the end of the day, it's still more than enough to be an absurd force in the middle. Best defensive big man, best rebounding big man & drops 20 a night. He went to the Finals surrounded by a bunch of shooters, now he has a top five point guard, Kobe & a top five 7 footer with him. It makes him even more effective. But in becoming more effective inside, it only devalues Kobe in the sense now he has an absurd amount of help, almost identical to what Shaq provided him which is something unlike Jordan or LeBron have ever seen.

Bosh doesn't do that for LeBron. Bosh occasionally will have a nice 30 point night. But generally is just sitting at that elbow waiting for LeBron to find him & taking jumpshots. He's not drawing defenders away from LeBron. & Wade doesn't do that for LeBron because they play the same style. It's not like Howard for Kobe whose going to draw the entire defense inside. Wade just stands on the other side of the court & watches unless Spoe runs a set that's ran through him.

You can honestly say this team is better than the 3peat team in the respect that Dwight isn't as good as Shaq, but compared to the rest of the league's bigs, he's equally as dominate. The grading curve for big men has significantly dropped in the last decade. Dwight's overall big man game is as good in today's league as Shaq's was a decade ago. Nash is far better than Derek Fisher & Pau is better & more effective than Horry. Kobe hasn't lost that much of a step. ESPN still has him ranked #6 overall, which should be higher because Rose doesn't belong there. Then the combo of Artest & Jamison is better than Rick Fox.

The 3peat team had a top 3 SG & the best center. This years team has a top 5 PG, still a top 3 SG, a top 5 PF in Gasol & the best center in basketball. You got like four of the top twenty players in the league, all at different starting positions. This is the most help Kobe's ever had.

lmao... Did u just say Kobe has more help than LeBron has ever had? What's wrong with u, man? Like I said, LeBron was seen as a second fiddle for a lot of his first year with Miami. Wade was already a proven champion without LeBron.. What has anyone on the lakers proven without Kobe? Nothing... U cannot compare . And Pippens STILL much better than anyone on the Lakers not named Kobe. Ur arguments are terrible and usually make no sense. The last straw was u saying the current Laker team is better than the 3peat Laker team. Too much..

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Pau was also a huge pussy in 07-08 against KG

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LOL, NIK you're an idiot. You're looking at it like well "Pippen > Nash. Pippen > Dwight (which isn't true). Pippen > Pau".

But it's Nash, Dwight & Pau >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pippen. How you going to try to hide behind the fact it's three bonafide, year in, year out allstars by saying that individually matched up Pippen was better? That's like if the Lakers also had Kevin Love, James Harden & Kyrie Irving on this roster too & you were like "Well....Pippen was obviously better than all of those players....so MJ had more help". What kind of fuckass logic is that?

& yeah, just look at it & it's so simple. LeBron & Kobe are the leaders, right? So there you go. Now Pau & Bosh we'll call equal & they cancel out. I'll even call Dwight & Wade even DESPITE the fact it's MUCH better to have a DOMINATE big man...the most dominate big man by far in basketball than another wing player who plays the same style as LeBron & generally stands around when the set isn't designed for him. Then you you just have a PG who averaged 14 assists a game passing the ball to Marcin Gortat. Now has Dwight to feed the ball too. Obviously has more help.

Like I said, Nash, Dwight & Pau with Artest & Jamison would easily win 55 games.