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Quote from: teecee on December 29, 2012, 11:17:59 AM the fact that Jay was more piggy-backing Raekwon and Nas, meant That the album offered little in the way of originality. Respectfully disagree there. The gangsta element Rae and Nas had already capitalized on, no doubt. I thought this brought more of a gangster point of view to the NY rap scene. Instead of running in niggas cribs with a mac 10 for a robbery, I thought he did a good job at articulating the stress and paranoia, vulnerability if you will that was missing from previous mafioso rap in the early nineties.Cuban Linx and It Was Written were like two giant circuses filled with violence and grit, while Reasonable Doubt, in my opinion felt like an intimate conversation with a gangster somewhere at the top, looking back at the subject matter in Nas and Rae's worlds. I'm not saying Reasonable Doubt was a better effort than the other two albums, but to me it is creatively different than them.
the fact that Jay was more piggy-backing Raekwon and Nas, meant That the album offered little in the way of originality.
I agree it's a default answer for people to say Reasonable Doubt is his best. He undoubtedly got better as time went on.And for the person who said Jay dropped got singles but his albums never matched - you couldn't be farther from the truth. Jay has probably the deepest catalogue in hip hop in terms of both quantity and quality.
Jay has probably the deepest catalogue in hip hop in terms of both quantity and quality.
Quote from: Enigma on December 29, 2012, 03:24:52 AM Jay has probably the deepest catalogue in hip hop in terms of both quantity and quality.lmao PLEASE!
Quote from: Patrick Duffy on December 29, 2012, 07:46:46 PMQuote from: Enigma on December 29, 2012, 03:24:52 AM Jay has probably the deepest catalogue in hip hop in terms of both quantity and quality.lmao PLEASE!Who tops him? He has 11 albums and 10 of them went number one. Who comes close to that? That's not including his album with Kanye or the ones with R Kelly.
Who has done more in the game then? Sales aside, nobody has 11 albums that match his quality. That's not an opinion - there's only a handful of rappers with 11 albums period. Tons of rappers have put out way more material? Who? And if you're counting mixtapes that doesn't count, that's where the watering down happens.You're talking about a guy that dropped an album every summer for 8 years straight, one of them a double album. Several of them epic with game changing anthems that paved the way for some of the biggest producers of the last decade (Kanye, Just Blaze). Who matches that? Snoop, Ice Cube, Eminem, Nas? I don't think so. Unless you can name rappers that top his catalogue in both quantity and quality then you've got no backing to what you say.
Quote from: Enigma on December 30, 2012, 07:15:19 PMWho has done more in the game then? Sales aside, nobody has 11 albums that match his quality. That's not an opinion - there's only a handful of rappers with 11 albums period. Tons of rappers have put out way more material? Who? And if you're counting mixtapes that doesn't count, that's where the watering down happens.You're talking about a guy that dropped an album every summer for 8 years straight, one of them a double album. Several of them epic with game changing anthems that paved the way for some of the biggest producers of the last decade (Kanye, Just Blaze). Who matches that? Snoop, Ice Cube, Eminem, Nas? I don't think so. Unless you can name rappers that top his catalogue in both quantity and quality then you've got no backing to what you say.LOL...this is laughable. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_Dre#Discographyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tech_n9ne#Discographyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nas#Discographyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-Bo#Discographyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DJ_QUIK#Discographyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Del_tha_Funkee_Homosapien#Discographyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarface_discographyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-40_discographyoff top...and yea, even cube, snoop, and eminem can be argued, cuz their classics are better....amongst others. pac's first 5 albums slaughter jay'z first 5....your logic is flawed, jay has a nice catalogue, but he aint sittin on the top. not even close.
Quote from: NIKCC on December 31, 2012, 09:31:20 PMQuote from: Enigma on December 30, 2012, 07:15:19 PMWho has done more in the game then? Sales aside, nobody has 11 albums that match his quality. That's not an opinion - there's only a handful of rappers with 11 albums period. Tons of rappers have put out way more material? Who? And if you're counting mixtapes that doesn't count, that's where the watering down happens.You're talking about a guy that dropped an album every summer for 8 years straight, one of them a double album. Several of them epic with game changing anthems that paved the way for some of the biggest producers of the last decade (Kanye, Just Blaze). Who matches that? Snoop, Ice Cube, Eminem, Nas? I don't think so. Unless you can name rappers that top his catalogue in both quantity and quality then you've got no backing to what you say.LOL...this is laughable. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_Dre#Discographyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tech_n9ne#Discographyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nas#Discographyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-Bo#Discographyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DJ_QUIK#Discographyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Del_tha_Funkee_Homosapien#Discographyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarface_discographyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-40_discographyoff top...and yea, even cube, snoop, and eminem can be argued, cuz their classics are better....amongst others. pac's first 5 albums slaughter jay'z first 5....your logic is flawed, jay has a nice catalogue, but he aint sittin on the top. not even close. You said "done more in the game", out of those names noone has had as much influence as Jay over a 15 year period in hip hop. Jays been responsible for moving the culture in multiple ways, not to mention his label brought us Kanye, State Prop, Dipset, J Cole and he basically gave the game Rihanna.