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govt is amoral, as it pretends to know who should get what and when.whereas freedom is neither moral or immoral. cornell and mdogg dont realize that.and mfrogg if youre taking cornell west seriously, then youve got problems son.
^ not a dead digital clock
Quote from: Russell Bell on September 02, 2013, 08:16:48 PMgovt is amoral, as it pretends to know who should get what and when.whereas freedom is neither moral or immoral. cornell and mdogg dont realize that.and mfrogg if youre taking cornell west seriously, then youve got problems son.A dead clock is right 2 times a day. And in this case this clock is right on in this area. Plus, I'm not saying government is the solution either. The solution is the community, it's people. It's local government who represent their neighbors and know their neighbors. I'd argue that the federal government is to big to be effective, but there needs to be some sort of localized government in which people come together, talk police and law, talk education and schools, talk local fire. This is at the heart of society. Markets are a-moral and they don't look at what's best for communities. They look out for what's best for money, and money does not care about people.
Quote from: M Dogg™ on September 02, 2013, 08:36:52 PMQuote from: Russell Bell on September 02, 2013, 08:16:48 PMgovt is amoral, as it pretends to know who should get what and when.whereas freedom is neither moral or immoral. cornell and mdogg dont realize that.and mfrogg if youre taking cornell west seriously, then youve got problems son.A dead clock is right 2 times a day. And in this case this clock is right on in this area. Plus, I'm not saying government is the solution either. The solution is the community, it's people. It's local government who represent their neighbors and know their neighbors. I'd argue that the federal government is to big to be effective, but there needs to be some sort of localized government in which people come together, talk police and law, talk education and schools, talk local fire. This is at the heart of society. Markets are a-moral and they don't look at what's best for communities. They look out for what's best for money, and money does not care about people.either this is a new revelation for you, or you dont believe this. you voted for obama and hes not about having local decisions hes about decisions at the federal level 100%. im not an anarchist, im a libertarian and i think that most decisions should be made at the very very local level. IE why should politicians from san fran and LA be making the decisions that rule my life. and thats not even counting the ones in DC, they shouldnt be touching education etc etc. theyre actually ruining education one law/regulation/oversight at a time, but thats just one example.
Quote from: Russell Bell on September 03, 2013, 12:23:07 AMQuote from: M Dogg™ on September 02, 2013, 08:36:52 PMQuote from: Russell Bell on September 02, 2013, 08:16:48 PMgovt is amoral, as it pretends to know who should get what and when.whereas freedom is neither moral or immoral. cornell and mdogg dont realize that.and mfrogg if youre taking cornell west seriously, then youve got problems son.A dead clock is right 2 times a day. And in this case this clock is right on in this area. Plus, I'm not saying government is the solution either. The solution is the community, it's people. It's local government who represent their neighbors and know their neighbors. I'd argue that the federal government is to big to be effective, but there needs to be some sort of localized government in which people come together, talk police and law, talk education and schools, talk local fire. This is at the heart of society. Markets are a-moral and they don't look at what's best for communities. They look out for what's best for money, and money does not care about people.either this is a new revelation for you, or you dont believe this. you voted for obama and hes not about having local decisions hes about decisions at the federal level 100%. im not an anarchist, im a libertarian and i think that most decisions should be made at the very very local level. IE why should politicians from san fran and LA be making the decisions that rule my life. and thats not even counting the ones in DC, they shouldnt be touching education etc etc. theyre actually ruining education one law/regulation/oversight at a time, but thats just one example. Yeah, well I voted for Obama and Obama wants to go into Syria and I disagree with that too. I'm not married to the man.
Quote from: M Dogg™ on September 03, 2013, 05:36:44 AMQuote from: Russell Bell on September 03, 2013, 12:23:07 AMQuote from: M Dogg™ on September 02, 2013, 08:36:52 PMQuote from: Russell Bell on September 02, 2013, 08:16:48 PMgovt is amoral, as it pretends to know who should get what and when.whereas freedom is neither moral or immoral. cornell and mdogg dont realize that.and mfrogg if youre taking cornell west seriously, then youve got problems son.A dead clock is right 2 times a day. And in this case this clock is right on in this area. Plus, I'm not saying government is the solution either. The solution is the community, it's people. It's local government who represent their neighbors and know their neighbors. I'd argue that the federal government is to big to be effective, but there needs to be some sort of localized government in which people come together, talk police and law, talk education and schools, talk local fire. This is at the heart of society. Markets are a-moral and they don't look at what's best for communities. They look out for what's best for money, and money does not care about people.either this is a new revelation for you, or you dont believe this. you voted for obama and hes not about having local decisions hes about decisions at the federal level 100%. im not an anarchist, im a libertarian and i think that most decisions should be made at the very very local level. IE why should politicians from san fran and LA be making the decisions that rule my life. and thats not even counting the ones in DC, they shouldnt be touching education etc etc. theyre actually ruining education one law/regulation/oversight at a time, but thats just one example. Yeah, well I voted for Obama and Obama wants to go into Syria and I disagree with that too. I'm not married to the man.but my point is, and this is my issue with your politics really, that obamas whole philosophy is govt driven solutions. he says it, and thats what hes been about. so again, either you just found this philosophy or you dont really believe it.
The free market is a tool and it has it's place. But society cannot be ran by the free market. The free market has to run in order to serve the people, and that's were THIS society has it wrong. We used the free market for years to help us, but now we have flipped and do what we need to prop up the free market and put the market above people. That's Fascism my friend.