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Quote from: M Dogg™ on September 03, 2013, 10:30:14 AMThe free market is a tool and it has it's place. But society cannot be ran by the free market. The free market has to run in order to serve the people, and that's were THIS society has it wrong. We used the free market for years to help us, but now we have flipped and do what we need to prop up the free market and put the market above people. That's Fascism my friend.The free market always serves the people MDogg. I would love to hear you explain to me exactly how the free market does not serve the people? The free market by it's very essence has to serve the people, because it's very livelihood depends upon consumer purchaser. The wants and needs of the consumer have to be served. Profiting off consumers is the name of the game.Please explain to me how the free market does not serve the people? I have to hear this one.
The free market is a tool and it has it's place. But society cannot be ran by the free market. The free market has to run in order to serve the people, and that's were THIS society has it wrong. We used the free market for years to help us, but now we have flipped and do what we need to prop up the free market and put the market above people. That's Fascism my friend.
The constant feeding of bullshit to people through media aka advertising alone leaves people VERY confused about what they want or even need.
Quote from: Fraxxx on September 03, 2013, 11:12:13 AMThe constant feeding of bullshit to people through media aka advertising alone leaves people VERY confused about what they want or even need. I am not arguing as to whether or not what they feed is bullshit. It may very well be bullshit. I am arguing that whether bullshit or not, they are indeed serving the people. You can't make money without serving the people. Consumers are the life-blood of any business in the free-market.
Quote from: Infinite on September 03, 2013, 11:06:32 AMQuote from: M Dogg™ on September 03, 2013, 10:30:14 AMThe free market is a tool and it has it's place. But society cannot be ran by the free market. The free market has to run in order to serve the people, and that's were THIS society has it wrong. We used the free market for years to help us, but now we have flipped and do what we need to prop up the free market and put the market above people. That's Fascism my friend.The free market always serves the people MDogg. I would love to hear you explain to me exactly how the free market does not serve the people? The free market by it's very essence has to serve the people, because it's very livelihood depends upon consumer purchaser. The wants and needs of the consumer have to be served. Profiting off consumers is the name of the game.Please explain to me how the free market does not serve the people? I have to hear this one.The constant feeding of bullshit to people through media aka advertising alone leaves people VERY confused about what they want or even need.
Quote from: Infinite on September 03, 2013, 11:26:56 AMQuote from: Fraxxx on September 03, 2013, 11:12:13 AMThe constant feeding of bullshit to people through media aka advertising alone leaves people VERY confused about what they want or even need. I am not arguing as to whether or not what they feed is bullshit. It may very well be bullshit. I am arguing that whether bullshit or not, they are indeed serving the people. You can't make money without serving the people. Consumers are the life-blood of any business in the free-market. But when it's all about making money, the system is bullshit in the first place. I strongly believe that making money shouldn't be the incentive to do what you're doing.
Quote from: Fraxxx on September 03, 2013, 11:12:13 AMQuote from: Infinite on September 03, 2013, 11:06:32 AMQuote from: M Dogg™ on September 03, 2013, 10:30:14 AMThe free market is a tool and it has it's place. But society cannot be ran by the free market. The free market has to run in order to serve the people, and that's were THIS society has it wrong. We used the free market for years to help us, but now we have flipped and do what we need to prop up the free market and put the market above people. That's Fascism my friend.The free market always serves the people MDogg. I would love to hear you explain to me exactly how the free market does not serve the people? The free market by it's very essence has to serve the people, because it's very livelihood depends upon consumer purchaser. The wants and needs of the consumer have to be served. Profiting off consumers is the name of the game.Please explain to me how the free market does not serve the people? I have to hear this one.The constant feeding of bullshit to people through media aka advertising alone leaves people VERY confused about what they want or even need. What's the solution to that? There really isn't one. There is no consensus on what is needed so who decides? The only option is to have a governing body regulate advertising and come up with a standard for what people need and/or want. However that would just be a bunch of elitists deciding what's best for everyone. We already have that in a federal government that has ridiculous drug laws, Draconian criminal sentencing, are intrusive in marriages and have stupid standards for public schools. On top of that, they've continue to push the USA to the verge of bankruptcy.
Quote from: Fraxxx on September 03, 2013, 11:43:27 AMQuote from: Infinite on September 03, 2013, 11:26:56 AMQuote from: Fraxxx on September 03, 2013, 11:12:13 AMThe constant feeding of bullshit to people through media aka advertising alone leaves people VERY confused about what they want or even need. I am not arguing as to whether or not what they feed is bullshit. It may very well be bullshit. I am arguing that whether bullshit or not, they are indeed serving the people. You can't make money without serving the people. Consumers are the life-blood of any business in the free-market. But when it's all about making money, the system is bullshit in the first place. I strongly believe that making money shouldn't be the incentive to do what you're doing. Why does anyone have a job? Sure they ideally work in a feild they like, but most people wouldn't have a job if making money was taken out of the equation.
What's the solution to that? There really isn't one. There is no consensus on what is needed so who decides? The only option is to have a governing body regulate advertising and come up with a standard for what people need and/or want. However that would just be a bunch of elitists deciding what's best for everyone. We already have that in a federal government that has ridiculous drug laws, Draconian criminal sentencing, are intrusive in marriages and have stupid standards for public schools. On top of that, they've continue to push the USA to the verge of bankruptcy.
But when it's all about making money, the system is bullshit in the first place. I strongly believe that making money shouldn't be the incentive to do what you're doing.
Quote from: Teddy Roosevelt on September 03, 2013, 12:18:23 PMWhat's the solution to that? There really isn't one. There is no consensus on what is needed so who decides? The only option is to have a governing body regulate advertising and come up with a standard for what people need and/or want. However that would just be a bunch of elitists deciding what's best for everyone. We already have that in a federal government that has ridiculous drug laws, Draconian criminal sentencing, are intrusive in marriages and have stupid standards for public schools. On top of that, they've continue to push the USA to the verge of bankruptcy.Exactly. And really no matter what it is you like the market is going to try to provide for you. For example... Sure, a lot of ignorant people may be find with shoveling Big Macs from McDonalds into their system. But, for the people with more refined tastes and consciousness you also have health food stores, whole foods markets, wild oats grocery store. Feel me? Don't underestimate the problem solving abilities of the free market!Good work, Teddy Roosevelt... although, what you said was very much unlike Teddy Roosevelt.