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Quote from: pixtr on September 26, 2013, 09:52:58 AMQuote from: NIKCC on September 26, 2013, 09:18:33 AMQuote from: OG Classic Material on September 26, 2013, 09:07:31 AMyou shouldn't put your name on a track unless you've put a significant amount of work into it.EXACTLYAND AT THE END OF THE DAY, DRE PUTS IN MORE WORK THAN EVERY1 ON THE TRACK COMBINEDCOMING UP WITH A BEAT, SONG IDEA, WRITING THE LYRICS, RECORDING THE FLOWS....I LEARNED THROUGH 1ST HAND EXPERIENCE, ALL THAT'S THE EASY PART. TRUST ME. So if it so easy why Dre not do it yourself? That's the point. These producers and ghotswriters did most of the work. Dre just smoke weed and has good ear. But they have a talent. U can't make dope beat or write lyrics if u ain't got that. Lot of producers making beat from the scratch. And they deserve to the respect. Storch played piano in "Still Dre" and that's what everybody loved in this beat.I have to agree with this. Im sorry but its easy to sit with a producer and tell them what you want to hear or what you want something to sound like, anybody with any musical knowledge or any idea on arrangement, synthesis, chord structures etc can do that. Yes its true that none of Dre's producers got as big as Dre did but why is that? Dre was a household name and was already classed as a super producer since in the late 80's so of course he is going to be bigger then everybody else....he could fart into a microphone and release it as a single and people will claim its the best sound since "2001"But i suppose because we have a different point of view then it means we dont know im talking about right?? Dre has a really good ear for good music but without a whole bunch of other guys making music then he would have nothing but a drum beat. Dre is not a production genius, he is a arrangement genius, although i would not really call him a genius....making hip hop beats is hardly rocket science is it?
Quote from: NIKCC on September 26, 2013, 09:18:33 AMQuote from: OG Classic Material on September 26, 2013, 09:07:31 AMyou shouldn't put your name on a track unless you've put a significant amount of work into it.EXACTLYAND AT THE END OF THE DAY, DRE PUTS IN MORE WORK THAN EVERY1 ON THE TRACK COMBINEDCOMING UP WITH A BEAT, SONG IDEA, WRITING THE LYRICS, RECORDING THE FLOWS....I LEARNED THROUGH 1ST HAND EXPERIENCE, ALL THAT'S THE EASY PART. TRUST ME. So if it so easy why Dre not do it yourself? That's the point. These producers and ghotswriters did most of the work. Dre just smoke weed and has good ear. But they have a talent. U can't make dope beat or write lyrics if u ain't got that. Lot of producers making beat from the scratch. And they deserve to the respect. Storch played piano in "Still Dre" and that's what everybody loved in this beat.
Quote from: OG Classic Material on September 26, 2013, 09:07:31 AMyou shouldn't put your name on a track unless you've put a significant amount of work into it.EXACTLYAND AT THE END OF THE DAY, DRE PUTS IN MORE WORK THAN EVERY1 ON THE TRACK COMBINEDCOMING UP WITH A BEAT, SONG IDEA, WRITING THE LYRICS, RECORDING THE FLOWS....I LEARNED THROUGH 1ST HAND EXPERIENCE, ALL THAT'S THE EASY PART. TRUST ME.
you shouldn't put your name on a track unless you've put a significant amount of work into it.
I dont know what to believe when it comes to this but i will say one thing. There are a hell of a lot more people saying Dre did not make beats then people saying he did.I hear that for a lot of tracks Dre laid the drum beat down and the session musicians or other producers like Daz etc would make music around it then Dre would mix and arrange it....now to me that's not a producer. The producer writes the music. Not just a drum beat and then some arrangement.Its funny how his early stuff sounded a lot like Daz's stuff and his later stuff sounded like Scott Storch and them. Nowdays he does not seem to be working with any hot producers and his beats are not very good. People say that when Dre drops new albums he is re-inventing his sound....now is that right or is he really just taking stuff from a new batch of producers?Like i say, i dont know what really goes on for sure so im not taking anything away from Dre at all, he is a talent, even if it is just the way he makes the final product sound even if he did not actually write the music or produce it
Quote from: TidyKris on September 25, 2013, 02:28:08 PMI dont know what to believe when it comes to this but i will say one thing. There are a hell of a lot more people saying Dre did not make beats then people saying he did.I hear that for a lot of tracks Dre laid the drum beat down and the session musicians or other producers like Daz etc would make music around it then Dre would mix and arrange it....now to me that's not a producer. The producer writes the music. Not just a drum beat and then some arrangement.Its funny how his early stuff sounded a lot like Daz's stuff and his later stuff sounded like Scott Storch and them. Nowdays he does not seem to be working with any hot producers and his beats are not very good. People say that when Dre drops new albums he is re-inventing his sound....now is that right or is he really just taking stuff from a new batch of producers?Like i say, i dont know what really goes on for sure so im not taking anything away from Dre at all, he is a talent, even if it is just the way he makes the final product sound even if he did not actually write the music or produce it Yeah but most of those people saying that area. Disgruntled people that used to work with him and don't anymore, or people on forums like these that don't shit about what actually goes on in the studio and what it takes to make the songs they speaking on. I wouldn't trust either's word in that case. But it isn't a coincidence that every rapper, singer, producer, musician, that has been asked about Dre or did an interview, praises the shit out of him. They all say the same thing (perfectionist, the greatest, etc). If he was just the type to sit around and jack people's shit would he get props like that from literally everyone that has been in the lab with him? No! He's had different co-producers and musicians over the years but yet all his beats still have that "Dre style" and sound. Basically no matter who contributed to the song, you can tell immediately that it's a Dr Dre beat. Why, because the man is doing the actual work. People that worked with him and moved on, why the beats don't sound nearly as good if they were doing all the work? Also, if Dre starts working with someone else, why his beats sound just as good as the beat he did with the last person? You can do the math on that and see where the common denominator is. The beats on efil4zaggin sound light years ahead of what Yella did on for the love of money for Bone thugs or on what he did on Eazy's last album, whatever Daz so-called contributed to on Doggystyle with Dre and Afro Puffs that he produced with Dre sounds totally better than Daz did without Dre, nothing Mel-Man did since 2001 sound remotely as good as any beat on 2001, Scott Storch had some hits since he started working without Dre but none of them sound as good as the beats him and Dre did together when they had they little run (like on the Documentary and whatever else before Mike Elizondo became his main content-producer). I could go on & on but it all comes so back to Dre. The man works hard to make shit that we all loved so he shouldn't be discredited for his work. Snoop even said he's seen Dre make beats from top to bottom by himself and you can see footage on YouTube of him playing piano & keyboards so we all know if he wanted to he could ex could-producers and musicians out the mix. He has always said he likes the collaboration process with others (kinda like a jam session with him at the lead) so that's just how the man likes to work, not because he has to. Look at Relapse. There's songs on there where he's credited as the sole producer and there's songs he produced on there with others. The songs he produced on his own sound just as good (or is some cases better) than the ones he did with others. So bottom line Dre puts that work in.
funny thing is, thats what cats like okka and mietek really think
The modern idea of a producer is what killed creativity for the music - expecting one 'big name' to do everything on his set up instead of a collaborative process with musicians, DJs and samples.
It's the D-R-E the spectacularIn a party I go for your neck, so call me "Blacula"More than a Stealth bomber, I cause dramaThe enforcer, music floats like a flying saucerWhen I rock the spot with the flavor I gotI get plenty of ass, so call me an ass-tronautAs I blast past another nigga's ass that thought he was strongBut I smoke him like grass, just like Cheech and ChongMany tried to, but just can't rock withI'm 6-1, 225: pure chocolatePure lyricism at it's finest.
J Flexx helped pen such classics as Natural Born Killers, Keep Their Heads Ringing, Dr. Dre's verse for California Love, and Been there, Done thathttp://www.hiphop-elements.com/article/read/6/6936/1/