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Magic Johnson: "Michael Jordan couldn't run a team like I could"
Sccit:
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on October 01, 2013, 08:38:18 AM ---It's true though. When it's clear you can't deny Bron's Hall of Fame skill, you just turn to rings.
Hence the example of Derek and Ray. It's like downplaying Allen's shooting ability by saying "yeah...but Fisher has more rings".
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THERES A REASON I TOLD U TO STOP..AND IF U REALLY NEED ME TO BREAK IT DOWN FOR U, THEN HERE U GO:
THE REASON THAT ANALOGY IS COMPLETELY RETARDED IS BECAUSE WHEN UR A LEADER OF UR TEAM, WINNING RINGS MAKES OR BREAKS U...IT DEFINES UR LEGACY AND GREATNESS, NOT UR SKILLSET. SHOOTING IS A SKILLSET, WHICH HAS NOTHIN TO DO WITH UR WILL TO WIN AND ABILITY TO CARRY A TEAM TO THE PROMISE LAND. TO TOP IT OFF, DEREK FISHER IS A ROLE PLAYER..WINNING RINGS HAS PRETTY MUCH NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW GOOD A SHOOTER HE IS, AND BECAUSE THE LAKERS WERE NEVER HIS TEAM, THOSE RINGS DO NOT HELP ESTABLISH HIM AS A GREAT LEADER WHO TOOK IT UPON HIMSELF TO PUT HIS TEAM ON HIS BACK TO WIN IT ALL. WHAT ELSE?
Chamillitary Click:
Again, I said it in my post above. It's not "legacy" I'm talking about. It's who is the better player. If you talk pure "legacy" and "greatness" then MJ is truly untouchable. Jordan's legacy is flawless. Even if Kobe and Bron both walk out with seven, MJ will have the greater "legacy". So it's a pretty silly way to look at things.
You always grade intangibles that you can't really prove. It's just a cop out. Like three straight Finals appearances, two wins, two Final MVPs and the favorite to do it again for a threepeat. What about that is a knock on his character? Let me guess...he "defers" and gets his teammates involved...the same as Magic. The same that makes Magic better overall than Jordan lol.
Sccit:
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on October 01, 2013, 09:02:01 AM ---Again, I said it in my post above. It's not "legacy" I'm talking about. It's who is the better player. If you talk pure "legacy" and "greatness" then MJ is truly untouchable. Jordan's legacy is flawless. Even if Kobe and Bron both walk out with seven, MJ will have the greater "legacy". So it's a pretty silly way to look at things.
You always grade intangibles that you can't really prove. It's just a cop out. Like three straight Finals appearances, two wins, two Final MVPs and the favorite to do it again for a threepeat. What about that is a knock on his character? Let me guess...he "defers" and gets his teammates involved...the same as Magic. The same that makes Magic better overall than Jordan lol.
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BUT LEADING A TEAM TO THE PROMISE LAND DOES HAVE TO DO WITH HOW GOOD YOU ARE...FOR INSTANCE, IF LEBRON WAS BETTER, HE WOULDA WON WITH CLEVELAND. THERES NO DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT THOSE 60+ WIN CAV TEAMS COULDA WON IT ALL..THEY WERE DEFENSIVE BEASTS AND FAVORITES TO WIN PRETTY MUCH ANY SERIES THEY WENT INTO...SO IF LEBRON WAS A STRONGER PLAYER IN THAT POINT IN HIS CAREER, HE'D HAVE MORE CHAMPIONSHIPS, HENCE WHY RINGS ARE TELLING OF HOW GREAT U ARE AS A PLAYER - WHEN UR THE LEADER OF UR TEAM, AS OPPOSED TO A ROLE PLAYER WHO ONLY PLAYS A MINOR ROLE IN WINNING THOSE RINGS. IT'S THE ULTIMATE GOAL IN PLAYING, AND THATS ALL THERE REALLY IS TO IT.
AND NOTHING IS REALLY PROVABLE...STATS ARE BASICALLY KEPT FOR IDIOTS WHO DONT UNDERSTAND WHATS RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEIR EYES - THE GAME. IT'S THE OBJECTIVE EYE + HOW MANY TIMES U WERE ABLE TO WIN IT ALL THAT TELL EXACTLY WHO U REALLY ARE IN THIS GAME.
Mietek23:
NIK, we all know that even if LeBron would finish his career with 10 straight rings, you would still said he's nowhere near Kobe's level :)
Chamillitary Click:
Lol. Daniel Gibson. Anderson Varejao. Stop. Even today I'd take the cast Kobe had in both teams he made a run in the Finals with, MJ's Bulls and Magic's roster over the current Heat roster. But this levels the playing field of what he can do with a proper cast.
Very silly. Kidd better than Stockton? Dirk better than Malone? Can you really seeing yourself saying Chauncey Billups was better than Kyrie if he keeps improving, but fails to win in ten years?
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