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Immortal Technique is speaking some real shit
Aladin:
--- Quote from: V2DHeart on November 05, 2013, 02:30:32 AM ---God is the "sun", it is the 'higher' power, and one that most worship on 'sun'day
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The Prophet Abraham, in his early life worshipped the sun. But came to the conclusion that he is not worth being worshipped.
This is not an attack on your believe just some questions.
The Sun has a begining and it has an end. The Sun is created.
Should we as human being worship other creations. Or Worship the Creator.
The Creator who has no beginning and no end. He is above space and time (which are also creations.)
His power is infinite.
Sccit:
--- Quote from: Aladin on November 05, 2013, 08:13:51 AM ---
--- Quote from: V2DHeart on November 05, 2013, 02:30:32 AM ---God is the "sun", it is the 'higher' power, and one that most worship on 'sun'day
--- End quote ---
The Prophet Abraham, in his early life worshipped the sun. But came to the conclusion that he is not worth being worshipped.
This is not an attack on your believe just some questions.
The Sun has a begining and it has an end. The Sun is created.
Should we as human being worship other creations. Or Worship the Creator.
The Creator who has no beginning and no end. He is above space and time (which are also creations.)
His power is infinite.
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this
Fraxxx:
--- Quote from: Aladin on November 02, 2013, 02:24:34 PM ---
--- Quote from: Fraxxx on November 02, 2013, 06:03:24 AM ---
Coming to an end now, I don't think you can simply claim morals for god and then dismiss all those lunatics as if it has absolutely nothing to do with each other. Then again, there would be one way to do that. Acknowledging all the good people that don't believe in god as much as the bad ones that don't.
Only, that would once more imply that there are just people who act based on morals and those who don't and that strongly points to what I'm saying all along.
Morals don't require god and religion and the abscence of both doesn't lead to mankind's downfall as an inevitable consequence of atheism.
Peace
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Thank you for making time and your critique of mine statements.
I would be lying if I said that people who do not believe are not good persons.
I dare say that I know more atheist that are truthfull and honest then some believers I know.
Also my christian and jewish brothers are not different then me.
There are more ways to Rome then One.
On the Moral law perspective, let us say that we agree to disagree. :)
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Let's do that. Let me say, though, that I still believe the illusion of knowing the absolutes about what's right or wrong or what's good or sinning to be a dangerous one.
Aladin:
--- Quote from: Fraxxx on November 05, 2013, 03:54:50 PM ---
Let's do that. Let me say, though, that I still believe the illusion of knowing the absolutes about what's right or wrong or what's good or sinning to be a dangerous one.
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I agree with you. If someone is arrogant and thinking that he is 100% right is indeed very dangerous. There should be a possibility for personal and free choice.
When I talk about Morals I talk about the general ideas of it, not personal.
When I talk abut relying on God, I talk on a personal level.
Maybe that is confusing, I realize that.
virtuoso:
The problem is Fraxx that if you reject god given rights, then the state in a so called democratic institution can impose whatever horrors it wishes to. If you don't believe there are absolute wrongs and rights, then you don't believe there is an innate sense of this either. Therefore under that mind set the likes of Stalin to a sociopathic monster would be a visionary. Without defined wrongs and rights the whole world goes to hell because New social norms can be established very quickly. You don't have to believe in religion to recognise the values established within are beneficial for all. It is only really this which has held the state at bay, the belief of such core values that ISA.
This is why the parasitical sociopathic global class is so desperate to imposed hardcore extreme islam, so intent on framing and demonising christians. They don't want god fearing only people with core beliefs.
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