Pacquiao-Rios... thoughts?

[DeeezNuuuts83]

I'm intrigued by this... it's shaping up to be an interesting fight, even if Manny is favored to win.  But Rios generally has to kill himself to make weight (particularly at 135), so he might feel quite comfortable at 147 and can focus more on training rather than shedding weight.  So it could be surprising.  It has the potential of being like De La Hoya-Pacquiao, but with the tables turning on Manny (since now he is the older guy in his mid-30s coming off of some losses), though I hope that's not the case.

I think it'll be kind of like Pacquiao-Margarito again... two fighters whose specialty is throwing punches (and not so much being able to dodge them).  I don't see it going to the cards though, but I think we'll see a lot of fists flying.  But if Manny loses legitimately... then it's time to retire.  But if he wins, then we'll probably see Pacquiao-Bradley II (fuck Marquez, he passed and in a really disrespectful way).

[Chamillitary Click]

Vegas is calling for a Pacquiao knockout.

[DeeezNuuuts83]

Vegas is calling for a Pacquiao knockout.

His career is calling for it too, unless it's a lopsided brutal UD (i.e. Pacquiao-Margarito).

[Sir Petey]

i still cant shake the image of his ass knocked out stone cold from that last one. is this his first fight since then?

[DeeezNuuuts83]

i still cant shake the image of his ass knocked out stone cold from that last one. is this his first fight since then?

Yeah.  Harsh KO, one that I never really wanted to re-watch.  Marquez certainly did his thing (but he got lucky with the timing of that punch since he was losing on the scorecards and was in trouble with a broken nose) and had the most significant win out of their four fights, but even if the saga ends with that as their last fight if they never face off again, Manny gets the last laugh.  He took a much smaller purse (I think it was $3-4 million to fight Bradley, rather than the $12-13 million guarantee that Top Rank was offering him to fight Manny again) and then ended up losing.  It was close, and the SD outcome made sense, but I feel like everyone (aside from the Mexican fans who were in the arena that night) felt Bradley was the winner, and he was definitely landing more significant punches.  But for the millionth time, you have Marquez claiming that he got robbed of a victory... which he already cried about regarding his first three fights against Manny, and it just really makes him look like more of a poor sport to the boxing world.  Meanwhile, Manny (coming off of two straight losses) is getting an $18 million guarantee to fight another guy also coming off of a loss.

So assuming Manny gets past Rios (which he should), then it's likely that Pacquiao-Bradley II would be next, and they'll likely give Bradley a $10 million nut for that one (which matches what he'd have been guaranteed in the event that Pacquiao chose to pursue the immediate rematch).  Bradley likely won't care to fight Marquez again since he wants to pursue bigger names, especially since he's earned his respect back with two good fights where he emerged victorious.  While he's already fought Manny, he knows that Manny is a much bigger name, plus he probably knows that he didn't win that fight and likely won't move past it until doing it again.  If Manny beats Bradley this time, he could fight Marquez if he wanted to, but he could easily avoid him (or decrease his stock) by either claiming to have just beat the guy (arguably twice) who just beat Marquez, or point out that while Marquez won their most recent fight, the official scorecards have them at 2-1-1 in Manny's favor.  He could do a rubbermatch with Bradley or go back to chasing Mayweather... which actually could happen in 2014, since Manny's Top Rank contract should be expiring at the end of this year, and Manny being independent (or at least not with Top Rank) could make it happen, just like how Cotto got it done.

I've only watched a couple of Rios fights (Rios-Alvarado 1 comes to mind, along with his fight on the undercard of Pacquiao-Margarito) and he's good, but I just don't see him adding another L to Manny's record.

[O.G A.Geesta'z]

I got Manny winning with a dominant decision win, Rios is just the kinda fighter Manny needs to win impressively and show the critics hes still a top fighter even after his devastating loss to Marquez, everyone thinks Manny will get knocked out which is possible with a lucky punch or a mistake in Manny's part but Rios is no Marquez, Marquez is one if not THE best counter puncher in the game right now along with B-hop and Mikey Garcia, so i see Rios pressing the fight and coming forward and Manny just taking him to school like he did Margarito/DeLaHoya...
Manny is the superior boxer which is gonna be the main factor in this fight, im expecting this to be an exciting fight with both of thier styles so if you plan on watching this fight you will get your moneys worth...

but hey then again this is boxing and a Top Rank promotion, so anything can happen...?

[BabyBird]

there both comin off losses

so who knows 

[DeeezNuuuts83]

I got Manny winning with a dominant decision win, Rios is just the kinda fighter Manny needs to win impressively and show the critics hes still a top fighter even after his devastating loss to Marquez, everyone thinks Manny will get knocked out which is possible with a lucky punch or a mistake in Manny's part but Rios is no Marquez, Marquez is one if not THE best counter puncher in the game right now along with B-hop and Mikey Garcia, so i see Rios pressing the fight and coming forward and Manny just taking him to school like he did Margarito/DeLaHoya...

You know, I think I'd also say that Marquez is the best counterpuncher, better than Floyd in that department... even though Floyd has a better overall defense.  But I say that because while Floyd is obviously better and takes calculated risks, Marquez is more willing to take on gambles, which comes with its pros and cons.  By taking those gambles, he can land some big hits (i.e. laying out Manny) and really excite the crowd, but it also leaves him open.  Floyd can counterpunch very well, but he's less willing to engage.  Remember how the Mayweather-Alvarez fight ended?  Obviously the only way Canelo could win toward the end was with a big KO punch.  And what happened in the last ten seconds of the fight?  Floyd basically ran... he took a bunch of steps back to keep his distance and avoided any contact to not give Canelo a lucky shot.  Safe and smart?  Absolutely.  But it's boring, and that's not why boxing fans paid $75.  I'll watch Usain Bolt if I want to see running.  Marquez, even as a defensive fighter, will at least be right in front of you and not be running.

Manny is the superior boxer which is gonna be the main factor in this fight, im expecting this to be an exciting fight with both of thier styles so if you plan on watching this fight you will get your moneys worth...

but hey then again this is boxing and a Top Rank promotion, so anything can happen...?

It's not going to be a very technical fight, but we're going to see punches thrown and landed... which is what gets you your money's worth.

[BabyBird]

hopefully postin up with the homies his sat

[BabyBird]

Is there a special room, Members only, where I could watch this on Free Payper-view?

[DeeezNuuuts83]

Is there a special room, Members only, where I could watch this on Free Payper-view?

There are always some of those websites that stream it, but for bigger fights (i.e. Mayweather, Pacquiao), more people are trying to watch the same feed, and it ends up being really, really slow and choppy.

[Sccit]

the bradley-marquez fight streamed nicely for me off the firstrowsports site.... i think pacquiao needs to win this one to be considered a credible boxer. three losses in a row would be the end of him...if he can win this one, he should match-up with bradley again. the winner of that should face mayweather in a bout for the ages.

[DeeezNuuuts83]

the bradley-marquez fight streamed nicely for me off the firstrowsports site.... i think pacquiao needs to win this one to be considered a credible boxer. three losses in a row would be the end of him...if he can win this one, he should match-up with bradley again. the winner of that should face mayweather in a bout for the ages.

Ideally, yeah.  Even if Mayweather has no set plans for his next fight (though Mayweather-Khan looks likely, but it will be a snoozefest and likely not a smash PPV success), I'd have a hard time seeing Manny just getting served a Mayweather fight after beating Rios.  But Mayweather and his team have mentioned that they'd be open to fighting Bradley too, so maybe he will take the winner... again, which would likely coincide with something in 2014, when Manny's Top Rank contract expires.  But Mayweather-Bradley definitely wouldn't be a bout for the ages though, he's just not big enough.

[Sccit]

the bradley-marquez fight streamed nicely for me off the firstrowsports site.... i think pacquiao needs to win this one to be considered a credible boxer. three losses in a row would be the end of him...if he can win this one, he should match-up with bradley again. the winner of that should face mayweather in a bout for the ages.

Ideally, yeah.  Even if Mayweather has no set plans for his next fight (though Mayweather-Khan looks likely, but it will be a snoozefest and likely not a smash PPV success), I'd have a hard time seeing Manny just getting served a Mayweather fight after beating Rios.  But Mayweather and his team have mentioned that they'd be open to fighting Bradley too, so maybe he will take the winner... again, which would likely coincide with something in 2014, when Manny's Top Rank contract expires.  But Mayweather-Bradley definitely wouldn't be a bout for the ages though, he's just not big enough.

undefeated...beat pacquiao and marquez...he's gettin there

[DeeezNuuuts83]

undefeated...beat pacquiao and marquez...he's gettin there

His recent resume on paper looks good, but he's still not a big name, but he's getting there.  Look at the details of those fights.

He was awarded a split decision against Pacquiao, one that pretty much 99% of the boxing world felt was a robbery.  Pacquiao is typically a 1+ million PPV buy kind of fighter, but Pacquiao-Bradley did around 900k... not bad, but not up to Pacquiao's usual numbers, especially considering Bradley himself is an undefeated fighter and had come off of beating people like Devon Alexander.  He may have won at the end, but no one is really giving him credit for that.  Even the MGM started playing that Black Eyed Peas song (the Filipino one) when the fight ended.

He was awarded a split decision against Marquez, though it's a pretty legit outcome.  You have two guys coming off of recent wins over Pacquiao, yet their fight only generated 375k PPV buys... which isn't a lot coming from two guys who both represent Pacquiao's only official conquerors since 2005 (particularly after he got really popular) and were expected to have an action-packed fight.  Bradley's fight against Pacquiao did 900k PPV buys while Marquez's fourth fight against Pacquiao did 1.15 million PPV buys, so they both had a lot of exposure shortly beforehand and were seen by a lot of people getting their hand raised in the end against Pacquiao.

At the same time, he's now carrying a lot more weight behind his name, having beaten Pacquiao AND Marquez, so Pacquiao-Bradley II (should it happen) is going to clear 1 million easily.  But Bradley really needs one of those in his resume.