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Russell Bell:
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on December 01, 2013, 10:07:21 PM ---
--- Quote from: Russell Bell on December 01, 2013, 10:03:06 PM ---
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--- Quote from: virtuoso on December 01, 2013, 01:48:16 PM ---
The type of racism you are alluding to mdogg is the exception not the norm here, if you are instead alluding to any form of racism, then I would suggest you are just being very liberal and pc in your response since there is A LOT of racism against white people and you know it, it just doesn't fit snugly into the white man bad, non white good idea paradigm which so many covet
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According to stats in the US, the perception that blacks target whites have not held up. But that may also be because our black population has been here a lot longer. What England is experiencing is a recent population which is there because of a violation struggle, and even if they are born there, that drama still effects the community. Combined that with some of those in that community who blame white people and you have a very, very dangerous situation for many. The best response would be to do what the US did with our Somali population and do heavy screening before hand. In Minnesota, the Somali population has over taken older black and Latino neighborhoods and crime had gone down. Not all refugees can adapt to life in a new country and England did it's current population a huge disservice by being so accepting. It sounds cruel, but it is important for nations to be highly selective when introducing new people to an existing society.
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What about latino immigrants mdogg? Should they be subject to this standard?
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If you give them a pathway, yes. Problem is, no pathway so they make their own way.
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The problem is with that pathway they've made, they haven't exactly put their best foot forward in terms of convincing anyone to make a better pathway for them. Their record in education and size of families speak for themselves. Wont even touch the gang and drug issues either
M Dogg™:
--- Quote from: Russell Bell on December 01, 2013, 10:11:32 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on December 01, 2013, 10:07:21 PM ---
--- Quote from: Russell Bell on December 01, 2013, 10:03:06 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on December 01, 2013, 09:58:38 PM ---
--- Quote from: virtuoso on December 01, 2013, 01:48:16 PM ---
The type of racism you are alluding to mdogg is the exception not the norm here, if you are instead alluding to any form of racism, then I would suggest you are just being very liberal and pc in your response since there is A LOT of racism against white people and you know it, it just doesn't fit snugly into the white man bad, non white good idea paradigm which so many covet
--- End quote ---
According to stats in the US, the perception that blacks target whites have not held up. But that may also be because our black population has been here a lot longer. What England is experiencing is a recent population which is there because of a violation struggle, and even if they are born there, that drama still effects the community. Combined that with some of those in that community who blame white people and you have a very, very dangerous situation for many. The best response would be to do what the US did with our Somali population and do heavy screening before hand. In Minnesota, the Somali population has over taken older black and Latino neighborhoods and crime had gone down. Not all refugees can adapt to life in a new country and England did it's current population a huge disservice by being so accepting. It sounds cruel, but it is important for nations to be highly selective when introducing new people to an existing society.
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What about latino immigrants mdogg? Should they be subject to this standard?
--- End quote ---
If you give them a pathway, yes. Problem is, no pathway so they make their own way.
--- End quote ---
The problem is with that pathway they've made, they haven't exactly put their best foot forward in terms of convincing anyone to make a better pathway for them. Their record in education and size of families speak for themselves. Wont even touch the gang and drug issues either
--- End quote ---
Majority of the issues come with domestic Latinos. Until the big drug war in Mexico, most everyone coming was seasonal labor who decided to stay. What the US should do is have a quick and legal way for immigrates to come and get work permits, but they have to be tracked for 6 months and have a clean record. After that time their work visa can either be extended or they'd be deported. The only ones coming illegally would be those involved with gangs and drugs so you'd have more ammo to do mass deportations of undocumented people. Right now there are 12 million undocumented, and only 6 million are Latino.
Russell Bell:
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on December 01, 2013, 10:21:23 PM ---
--- Quote from: Russell Bell on December 01, 2013, 10:11:32 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on December 01, 2013, 10:07:21 PM ---
--- Quote from: Russell Bell on December 01, 2013, 10:03:06 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on December 01, 2013, 09:58:38 PM ---
--- Quote from: virtuoso on December 01, 2013, 01:48:16 PM ---
The type of racism you are alluding to mdogg is the exception not the norm here, if you are instead alluding to any form of racism, then I would suggest you are just being very liberal and pc in your response since there is A LOT of racism against white people and you know it, it just doesn't fit snugly into the white man bad, non white good idea paradigm which so many covet
--- End quote ---
According to stats in the US, the perception that blacks target whites have not held up. But that may also be because our black population has been here a lot longer. What England is experiencing is a recent population which is there because of a violation struggle, and even if they are born there, that drama still effects the community. Combined that with some of those in that community who blame white people and you have a very, very dangerous situation for many. The best response would be to do what the US did with our Somali population and do heavy screening before hand. In Minnesota, the Somali population has over taken older black and Latino neighborhoods and crime had gone down. Not all refugees can adapt to life in a new country and England did it's current population a huge disservice by being so accepting. It sounds cruel, but it is important for nations to be highly selective when introducing new people to an existing society.
--- End quote ---
What about latino immigrants mdogg? Should they be subject to this standard?
--- End quote ---
If you give them a pathway, yes. Problem is, no pathway so they make their own way.
--- End quote ---
The problem is with that pathway they've made, they haven't exactly put their best foot forward in terms of convincing anyone to make a better pathway for them. Their record in education and size of families speak for themselves. Wont even touch the gang and drug issues either
--- End quote ---
Majority of the issues come with domestic Latinos. Until the big drug war in Mexico, most everyone coming was seasonal labor who decided to stay. What the US should do is have a quick and legal way for immigrates to come and get work permits, but they have to be tracked for 6 months and have a clean record. After that time their work visa can either be extended or they'd be deported. The only ones coming illegally would be those involved with gangs and drugs so you'd have more ammo to do mass deportations of undocumented people. Right now there are 12 million undocumented, and only 6 million are Latino.
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That's far more shameful that the ones who have been here longer can't act right
virtuoso:
Sorry Fraxx, I only took a cursory glance at your response so will respond to that in a bit. However when it's cited that slavery is the cause of ruth cold bastards developing, then I simply ask why aren't Irish gangs terrorising England? They were shipped off to the Caribbean in their millions (men, women and children) they were free labour slave would never see their homeland again.
I agree that there is a fucked up culture of abandoning their kids, there is as you hey you said not just one type of African and the realit
heyyou:
--- Quote from: virtuoso on December 01, 2013, 11:39:16 PM ---Sorry Fraxx, I only took a cursory glance at your response so will respond to that in a bit. However when it's cited that slavery is the cause of ruth cold bastards developing, then I simply ask why aren't Irish gangs terrorising England? They were shipped off to the Caribbean in their millions (men, women and children) they were free labour slave would never see their homeland again.
I agree that there is a fucked up culture of abandoning their kids, there is as you hey you said not just one type of African and the realit
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There is a culture of abandoning their kids, but the impression I get from you, it's coming across as 'black' culture. There are plenty of white dads who abandon their kids too!
Also when we say culture of 'Africans' or Asians, aboriginies etc, look how thats been effected by colonial powers.
Britain 'helped' (not soley responsible) fuck up Palestine, import drugs in China, split India into India and Pakistan, etc etc.
Let's not forget the West' s influence in Africa (Rhodesia, now Zimbabwe), south Africa etc
The aborigines in Australia, native Americans and punjabi' s of India are being destroyed by the government's etc pushing alcohol into the communities.
The same is happening the inner cities of the USA, where the cia pushed crack in black neighbourhoods to bring down 'black power' movements.
Sure all these communities/cultures probably had problems before, but outside influences contributed significantly to the problems we are seeing today.
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