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virtuoso:
Will respond later when not using smart phone
M Dogg™:
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--- Quote from: virtuoso on December 01, 2013, 01:48:16 PM ---
The type of racism you are alluding to mdogg is the exception not the norm here, if you are instead alluding to any form of racism, then I would suggest you are just being very liberal and pc in your response since there is A LOT of racism against white people and you know it, it just doesn't fit snugly into the white man bad, non white good idea paradigm which so many covet
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According to stats in the US, the perception that blacks target whites have not held up. But that may also be because our black population has been here a lot longer. What England is experiencing is a recent population which is there because of a violation struggle, and even if they are born there, that drama still effects the community. Combined that with some of those in that community who blame white people and you have a very, very dangerous situation for many. The best response would be to do what the US did with our Somali population and do heavy screening before hand. In Minnesota, the Somali population has over taken older black and Latino neighborhoods and crime had gone down. Not all refugees can adapt to life in a new country and England did it's current population a huge disservice by being so accepting. It sounds cruel, but it is important for nations to be highly selective when introducing new people to an existing society.
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What about latino immigrants mdogg? Should they be subject to this standard?
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If you give them a pathway, yes. Problem is, no pathway so they make their own way.
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The problem is with that pathway they've made, they haven't exactly put their best foot forward in terms of convincing anyone to make a better pathway for them. Their record in education and size of families speak for themselves. Wont even touch the gang and drug issues either
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Majority of the issues come with domestic Latinos. Until the big drug war in Mexico, most everyone coming was seasonal labor who decided to stay. What the US should do is have a quick and legal way for immigrates to come and get work permits, but they have to be tracked for 6 months and have a clean record. After that time their work visa can either be extended or they'd be deported. The only ones coming illegally would be those involved with gangs and drugs so you'd have more ammo to do mass deportations of undocumented people. Right now there are 12 million undocumented, and only 6 million are Latino.
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That's far more shameful that the ones who have been here longer can't act right
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Hey, you want to make sure they are acting right now not?
virtuoso:
Okay, so I re read what you wrote Fraxx, and clearly I misread what you wrote, the criminality and "gangster" behaviour is enabled by bringing things down to racism. Of course there is racism, racism exists in every society and at a different levels but, what I was saying was it doesn't to account for the terrorising that goes on, a lot of the terrorising taking place directed from blacks onto blacks and other ethnic minorities as there has been a large amount of white flight taking place in this country.
Secondly, concerning the issue of slavery, look, the Irish have just as much right to be hateful and angry towards the English as the Africans too. After all, they were shipped there in hundreds upon thousands, many to be used as slaves and the women used to be raped by the slaves. However again, there has never been a particularly high crime rate amongst the Irish as catholics typically have good family values, well, irish catholics at least.
I would say it's a combination of the fact that in some parts of Africa, life is cheap, morals are left by the wayside and depravity rules (look at South Africa for example) in addition to which there are many asshole fathers who abandon their kids and leave them growing up without a role model. However I still do not understand why there is this self of entitlement amongst some of them, perhaps this is a byproduct of portraying black people as the victims i.e. slavery, I don't know.
Regarding volatility and aggression, which clearly Africans have in spades, it can be a real quality but only when it's channelled correctly. I find it interesting that MDogg talks about vetting people who come in as refugees because that absolutely does not happen here and I am surprised that it was even mentioned (while I agree with it).
The racism I was referring to in England is less from black people and from muslims specifically Bangladeshi and Pakistani backgrounds as yes, there are no go areas for whites.
Anyways if I have missed out responding to anything, then let me know as this isn't about a sense of blindness or bias. I am not interested in picking a side, I am just calling it the way I see it. Furthermore in terms of the reporting of crime, what we have in this country is a great reluctance to show the photo of said perpetrator if the perpetrator is black, this level of censorship has been going on for some time and speaks volumes for deception and dishonesty.
The problem does not get addressed by covering it up, it is this cover which allowed for white girls to get raped for so long. As for the poverty argument, we are going backwards, in terms of getting poorer but the average poor person today is wealthier than they were 80 years ago. Yet, there was not the level of violence which we are witnessing today and perhaps that comes down to the fact that people don't feel they have an identity here?
I am just throwing out suggestions but of course the counter to that is the level of violence, sickness, depravity which is witnessed in Jamaica and throughout many parts of Africa. If this is in part down to the cultural fucked up norms that their parents have lived through, then it's going to take a hell of a long time before a relative calm descends. As for never knowing people on the wrong side of the law, well.......I can tell you that you don't live in deprived areas without getting to know some "gangsters" white gangsters, but while I never got involved in what they do, unless you provoked them, or did something stupid, they were peaceful people. They didn't go around stabbing people, shooting people just for the fuck of it.
As to the specifics of black on white crime mdogg, while Zimmerman is portrayed as the great racist murder, there are many many instances of whites being murdered by black's in hate crimes but the media doesn't like to report on it.
Let's take a few recent examples....a black youth shoots a white baby in the FACE a BABY, and his scumbag mother shelters him...but you know it's black on white so not a hate crime.
A Brooklyn film maker moves into a black area, is outside a party chilling and then a mob of 30 black people cowardly attack him, stomp into the ground leaving him in a Coma.
Or how about the educated black man who gunned down 3 white women in a park lot to cleanse them of their white devil sins.
Or how about a doctor appearing on C span denouncing white people as the evil, an evil where only a genocide can cure?
Or how about the black panther party?
There are many examples of these white hating, degenerate black racist scum
That's just a few examples, recent ones too, now if white people started running amok, terrorising people, if anyone was to suggest that it was because they were victims of racism, we (quite rightly) would denounce them as low lives hiding behind racism as some kind of way of excusing their actions.
I find it very sad that when the shoe is on the other foot, it's almost like despite whatever evils have done, they are the victims.
Russell Bell:
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on December 02, 2013, 09:44:01 AM ---
--- Quote from: Russell Bell on December 01, 2013, 10:55:10 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on December 01, 2013, 10:21:23 PM ---
--- Quote from: Russell Bell on December 01, 2013, 10:11:32 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on December 01, 2013, 10:07:21 PM ---
--- Quote from: Russell Bell on December 01, 2013, 10:03:06 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on December 01, 2013, 09:58:38 PM ---
--- Quote from: virtuoso on December 01, 2013, 01:48:16 PM ---
The type of racism you are alluding to mdogg is the exception not the norm here, if you are instead alluding to any form of racism, then I would suggest you are just being very liberal and pc in your response since there is A LOT of racism against white people and you know it, it just doesn't fit snugly into the white man bad, non white good idea paradigm which so many covet
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According to stats in the US, the perception that blacks target whites have not held up. But that may also be because our black population has been here a lot longer. What England is experiencing is a recent population which is there because of a violation struggle, and even if they are born there, that drama still effects the community. Combined that with some of those in that community who blame white people and you have a very, very dangerous situation for many. The best response would be to do what the US did with our Somali population and do heavy screening before hand. In Minnesota, the Somali population has over taken older black and Latino neighborhoods and crime had gone down. Not all refugees can adapt to life in a new country and England did it's current population a huge disservice by being so accepting. It sounds cruel, but it is important for nations to be highly selective when introducing new people to an existing society.
--- End quote ---
What about latino immigrants mdogg? Should they be subject to this standard?
--- End quote ---
If you give them a pathway, yes. Problem is, no pathway so they make their own way.
--- End quote ---
The problem is with that pathway they've made, they haven't exactly put their best foot forward in terms of convincing anyone to make a better pathway for them. Their record in education and size of families speak for themselves. Wont even touch the gang and drug issues either
--- End quote ---
Majority of the issues come with domestic Latinos. Until the big drug war in Mexico, most everyone coming was seasonal labor who decided to stay. What the US should do is have a quick and legal way for immigrates to come and get work permits, but they have to be tracked for 6 months and have a clean record. After that time their work visa can either be extended or they'd be deported. The only ones coming illegally would be those involved with gangs and drugs so you'd have more ammo to do mass deportations of undocumented people. Right now there are 12 million undocumented, and only 6 million are Latino.
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That's far more shameful that the ones who have been here longer can't act right
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Hey, you want to make sure they are acting right now not?
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can you translate this to english mr. masters degree
M Dogg™:
--- Quote from: Russell Bell on December 02, 2013, 04:47:17 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on December 02, 2013, 09:44:01 AM ---
--- Quote from: Russell Bell on December 01, 2013, 10:55:10 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on December 01, 2013, 10:21:23 PM ---
--- Quote from: Russell Bell on December 01, 2013, 10:11:32 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on December 01, 2013, 10:07:21 PM ---
--- Quote from: Russell Bell on December 01, 2013, 10:03:06 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on December 01, 2013, 09:58:38 PM ---
--- Quote from: virtuoso on December 01, 2013, 01:48:16 PM ---
The type of racism you are alluding to mdogg is the exception not the norm here, if you are instead alluding to any form of racism, then I would suggest you are just being very liberal and pc in your response since there is A LOT of racism against white people and you know it, it just doesn't fit snugly into the white man bad, non white good idea paradigm which so many covet
--- End quote ---
According to stats in the US, the perception that blacks target whites have not held up. But that may also be because our black population has been here a lot longer. What England is experiencing is a recent population which is there because of a violation struggle, and even if they are born there, that drama still effects the community. Combined that with some of those in that community who blame white people and you have a very, very dangerous situation for many. The best response would be to do what the US did with our Somali population and do heavy screening before hand. In Minnesota, the Somali population has over taken older black and Latino neighborhoods and crime had gone down. Not all refugees can adapt to life in a new country and England did it's current population a huge disservice by being so accepting. It sounds cruel, but it is important for nations to be highly selective when introducing new people to an existing society.
--- End quote ---
What about latino immigrants mdogg? Should they be subject to this standard?
--- End quote ---
If you give them a pathway, yes. Problem is, no pathway so they make their own way.
--- End quote ---
The problem is with that pathway they've made, they haven't exactly put their best foot forward in terms of convincing anyone to make a better pathway for them. Their record in education and size of families speak for themselves. Wont even touch the gang and drug issues either
--- End quote ---
Majority of the issues come with domestic Latinos. Until the big drug war in Mexico, most everyone coming was seasonal labor who decided to stay. What the US should do is have a quick and legal way for immigrates to come and get work permits, but they have to be tracked for 6 months and have a clean record. After that time their work visa can either be extended or they'd be deported. The only ones coming illegally would be those involved with gangs and drugs so you'd have more ammo to do mass deportations of undocumented people. Right now there are 12 million undocumented, and only 6 million are Latino.
--- End quote ---
That's far more shameful that the ones who have been here longer can't act right
--- End quote ---
Hey, you want to make sure they are acting right now not?
--- End quote ---
can you translate this to english mr. masters degree
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Sorry, typed on a smart phone. I meant to say...
Hey, you want to make sure they are acting right now, no?
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