Gridlocked or Gang Related? And who Daz diss in "Don't Play Me Homie"?

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Gang Related For Sure!Timeless
I Thought Daz Was Dissin Dre In "Donīt Try 2 Play Me Homie"?

[Mr. Theo]

According to DR producer Kurt Kobane, 2Pac wrote "Never Had A Friend Like" after Suge save his life when 2Pac was parasailling. 2Pac didn't know how to swim and Suge jumped out the boat for save him (2Pac ws unconscious).

I Didn't know this story.

Wow.

The theory of that Suge Knight paid someone to kill Tupac is totally bullshit.

[Black Excellence]

I like Gang Related more

[Black Excellence]

Daz was talkin' about Swoop G on "Don't Try To Play Me Homey".

i thought it was bad azz...thats why bad azz nevr had daz on word on the streets

-The Snoop and Pac joint was a little bit subpar but it was still Snoop and Pac, nough said. 

-"Out The Moon" is an excellent posse cut, Tray Dee really shines, and interesting to see Pac get down with Snoop's crew. 

did snoop and pac record the song togethr or was snoop added on it later?

pac said ''come on snoop dogg time to bone''.

[Black Excellence]

Imagine Gang Related would be a one-disc release and this would be the tracklist:

01. Way Too Major - Daz Dillinger, Tray Deee
02. These Days - Nate Dogg, Daz Dillinger
03. Made Niggaz - 2Pac, Outlawz
04. What's Ya Fantasy - Daz Dillinger, Outlawz
05. Life's So Hard - 2Pac
06. A Change To Come - J-Flexx, Tenkamenin a.o.
07. Gang Related - Daz Dillinger, WC, CJ Mac, Tray Deee
08. Lost Souls - 2Pac, Outlawz
09. Mash For Our Dreams - Daz Dillinger, Storm, Young Noble
10. Loc'd Out Hood - Kurupt
11. Staring Through My Rear View - 2Pac, Outlawz
12. Free'em All - J. Flexx, Tenkamenin
13. Hollywood Bank Robbery - The Gang

 

If Tenkamenin never done an outro to that song, you would have never seen "Tha Realest". I can remember back then everyone thinking it was 2Pac on the outro

that joint was fire sans the realest.

[Mr Wicked]

Daz was talkin' about Swoop G on "Don't Try To Play Me Homey".

i thought it was bad azz...thats why bad azz nevr had daz on word on the streets

-The Snoop and Pac joint was a little bit subpar but it was still Snoop and Pac, nough said. 

-"Out The Moon" is an excellent posse cut, Tray Dee really shines, and interesting to see Pac get down with Snoop's crew. 

did snoop and pac record the song togethr or was snoop added on it later?

pac said ''come on snoop dogg time to bone''.

Someone from DR said in an interview that Pac gave snoop his verses for the song
but snoop didn't finish the song before Pac's death

Daz was talkin' about Swoop G on "Don't Try To Play Me Homey".

i thought it was bad azz...thats why bad azz nevr had daz on word on the streets

actually Daz had a small cameo appearence on "I Ain't Concerned"

[Mietek23]

According to DR producer Kurt Kobane, 2Pac wrote "Never Had A Friend Like" after Suge save his life when 2Pac was parasailling. 2Pac didn't know how to swim and Suge jumped out the boat for save him (2Pac ws unconscious).

I Didn't know this story.

Wow.

The theory of that Suge Knight paid someone to kill Tupac is totally bullshit.

According to Hussein Fatal - it was Gina Longo, who saved both 'Pac and Suge that day

[doublee313]

2 Dope soundtracks, Gang Related is more dark, melancholic. Way Too Major was a fuckin bomb, Daz did agreat job. But for me Gridlock'd is much better - Wanted Dead or Alive and Rages songs killed everything.

Exactly, "Way Too Major" was the fuckin bomb.. Daz was on fire at the time and him and Tray Dee make a great team.   Also 2pac and the Outlawz joint on Gang Related is one of the hardest and best 2pac/Outlawz songs, nice video as well.   But after that I really thought the Gridlocked album had a lot of filler.  I mean why the double album?  It wasn't really appropriate and it was like the first Death Row album to not go platinum.

Gang Related was a double CD.  Gridlocked was a single CD.  I think you got them mixed up.

[DeeezNuuuts83]

out the moon - wasnt pacs verse added from anothr song?

He wasn't on the original version. Not sure if his verse was from another song though.

Suge always wanted his people represented.  According to Big C-Style, what became the Murder Was the Case soundtrack as it is today originally started out as the first intended LBC Crew compilation, which is pretty clear from the first several songs, most of which ended up being Side A of the cassette.  Suge probably didn't want to paint a picture of Death Row just being a bunch of Crip rappers, at least not on their first actual compilation album, so he added some other artists who were more aligned with him and not necessarily part of DPG/LBC... i.e. Danny Boy, Jodeci (even though their song was with Dogg Pound), DJ Quik and OFTB.

In the same interview, Big C-Style said that Suge, who still had some involvement with the LBC Crew compilation since it was intended to be a Death Row release, knew that while it was showcasing a lot of their talent, it needed more star power to help ensure its success, or at least to the level that he wanted for anything with a Death Row logo on it.  Pac was on fire at the time, and Suge had him contribute a verse to that existing song, though I don't think it was clear on whether or not it was intended to be the album version or a B-side mix.

I have always thought that there is an unreleased dirty version of Pac's verse.  The reason for that is because there is both a dirty and clean version of the song recorded (which to me shows that there was a strong possibility of it becoming at least a radio single, which explains why Suge would have Pac contribute to it), though Pac's verse on the dirty Gridlock'd version is clean, oddly enough... clean to the point where it doesn't seem like Pac's original lyrics but more like clean words replacing dirty ones as an afterthought, particularly:

"Watch how they fall when I buck 'em all/ We Outlawz, West Side, playa, touch 'em all"
[Pac usually doesn't say "playa," and "fuck 'em all" would sound like it would fit better at the end]
"Brothas fall, then they crawl and they beg for their life"
[Again, odd use of "brothas," especially when he's talking about his enemies]
"Go tell them bustas up at Bad Boy Records/ That trick's got a big mouth, busta, better check it"
[Uncommon for Pac to say busta, let alone twice in one rhyme scheme, plus it sounds like another layer behind it has him saying "nigga" instead]
"I can see it plain as day, this game I play, wide open/ I pull the trigga, dead figga with his eyes open"
["Figga" was never really a word Pac intentionally put in songs unless he was trying to replace "nigga" in a clean version]

My guess is that Pac did record this after a dirty one, and perhaps Death Row was in such disarray where they either couldn't find it (like how they couldn't find the dirty Hit 'Em Up acapella, hence why the Nu-Mixx has the clean one) or just weren't paying attention when mixing the song for retail release and inadvertently put the dirty LBC Crew verses with the clean Pac one.

[TraceOneInfinite]

M with

Imagine Gang Related would be a one-disc release and this would be the tracklist:

01. Way Too Major - Daz Dillinger, Tray Deee
02. These Days - Nate Dogg, Daz Dillinger
03. Made Niggaz - 2Pac, Outlawz
04. What's Ya Fantasy - Daz Dillinger, Outlawz
05. Life's So Hard - 2Pac
06. A Change To Come - J-Flexx, Tenkamenin a.o.
07. Gang Related - Daz Dillinger, WC, CJ Mac, Tray Deee
08. Lost Souls - 2Pac, Outlawz
09. Mash For Our Dreams - Daz Dillinger, Storm, Young Noble
10. Loc'd Out Hood - Kurupt
11. Staring Through My Rear View - 2Pac, Outlawz
12. Free'em All - J. Flexx, Tenkamenin
13. Hollywood Bank Robbery - The Gang

 

Good work.. yeah that would've been much more like Death Row.  Gang Related was like the first Death Row album that I felt had filler

[TraceOneInfinite]

Gridlock'd only went gold, Gang Related went platinum. I think the poster got them mixed up a bit.

No, I didn't get them mixed up, that was just want I remembered from back in the day.  Id be surprised if Gang Rleated sold more considering it didn't have any single that received much play on MTV.  Snoop and Pacs joint from Gridlocked got some decent play on MTV back in the day

[TraceOneInfinite]

Gang Related For Sure!Timeless
I Thought Daz Was Dissin Dre In "Donīt Try 2 Play Me Homie"?

Come on homie, I think its pretty clear he's spittin about one of the lil homies, one of the hangers on.. he even talks about how he linked them in and then they turned their back on Daz.   

[JeremyM]

out the moon - wasnt pacs verse added from anothr song?

He wasn't on the original version. Not sure if his verse was from another song though.

Suge always wanted his people represented.  According to Big C-Style, what became the Murder Was the Case soundtrack as it is today originally started out as the first intended LBC Crew compilation, which is pretty clear from the first several songs, most of which ended up being Side A of the cassette.  Suge probably didn't want to paint a picture of Death Row just being a bunch of Crip rappers, at least not on their first actual compilation album, so he added some other artists who were more aligned with him and not necessarily part of DPG/LBC... i.e. Danny Boy, Jodeci (even though their song was with Dogg Pound), DJ Quik and OFTB.

In the same interview, Big C-Style said that Suge, who still had some involvement with the LBC Crew compilation since it was intended to be a Death Row release, knew that while it was showcasing a lot of their talent, it needed more star power to help ensure its success, or at least to the level that he wanted for anything with a Death Row logo on it.  Pac was on fire at the time, and Suge had him contribute a verse to that existing song, though I don't think it was clear on whether or not it was intended to be the album version or a B-side mix.

I have always thought that there is an unreleased dirty version of Pac's verse.  The reason for that is because there is both a dirty and clean version of the song recorded (which to me shows that there was a strong possibility of it becoming at least a radio single, which explains why Suge would have Pac contribute to it), though Pac's verse on the dirty Gridlock'd version is clean, oddly enough... clean to the point where it doesn't seem like Pac's original lyrics but more like clean words replacing dirty ones as an afterthought, particularly:

"Watch how they fall when I buck 'em all/ We Outlawz, West Side, playa, touch 'em all"
[Pac usually doesn't say "playa," and "fuck 'em all" would sound like it would fit better at the end]
"Brothas fall, then they crawl and they beg for their life"
[Again, odd use of "brothas," especially when he's talking about his enemies]
"Go tell them bustas up at Bad Boy Records/ That trick's got a big mouth, busta, better check it"
[Uncommon for Pac to say busta, let alone twice in one rhyme scheme, plus it sounds like another layer behind it has him saying "nigga" instead]
"I can see it plain as day, this game I play, wide open/ I pull the trigga, dead figga with his eyes open"
["Figga" was never really a word Pac intentionally put in songs unless he was trying to replace "nigga" in a clean version]

My guess is that Pac did record this after a dirty one, and perhaps Death Row was in such disarray where they either couldn't find it (like how they couldn't find the dirty Hit 'Em Up acapella, hence why the Nu-Mixx has the clean one) or just weren't paying attention when mixing the song for retail release and inadvertently put the dirty LBC Crew verses with the clean Pac one.

Excellent points all around on this. Never occurred to me for some reason. "Out the Moon" is not a good example of it, but Pac was the best at replacing explicit lyrics with clean ones for the radio. Nowadays rappers don't even bother so there's all kinds of awkward gaps.

[TraceOneInfinite]

I Didn't know this story.

Wow.

The theory of that Suge Knight paid someone to kill Tupac is totally bullshit.

Yeah I hate when people try to lie on Suge and say he had somethin to do with Pac dying.  Suge loved 2pac, that was his best friend.  Suge has stayed down for Pac all these years and just like the song says Pacs enemies are still Suges enemies to this day.  In fact, Suge beat someones ass just for saying he had pac killed the video is on youtube

[Jimmy H.]

Gridlock'd only went gold, Gang Related went platinum. I think the poster got them mixed up a bit.

No, I didn't get them mixed up, that was just want I remembered from back in the day.  Id be surprised if Gang Rleated sold more considering it didn't have any single that received much play on MTV.  Snoop and Pacs joint from Gridlocked got some decent play on MTV back in the day

   Gang Related is the double album though.  Every copy it sells counts as two so it only has to sell half as much for it to get the same plaque status.