Gridlocked or Gang Related? And who Daz diss in "Don't Play Me Homie"?

[Mr Wicked]

My guess is that Pac did record this after a dirty one, and perhaps Death Row was in such disarray where they either couldn't find it (like how they couldn't find the dirty Hit 'Em Up acapella, hence why the Nu-Mixx has the clean one) or just weren't paying attention when mixing the song for retail release and inadvertently put the dirty LBC Crew verses with the clean Pac one.

good observation, they also released "Regulate" clean version instead of the dirty one

[KrazySumwhat]

 Tough choice i like em both. i agree though, if gang related was a single disc it would have been a really great album but iam not complaing that it was a double cd.
 Gridlock'd probably had more classic tracks on there.

[Okka]

My guess is that Pac did record this after a dirty one, and perhaps Death Row was in such disarray where they either couldn't find it (like how they couldn't find the dirty Hit 'Em Up acapella, hence why the Nu-Mixx has the clean one) or just weren't paying attention when mixing the song for retail release and inadvertently put the dirty LBC Crew verses with the clean Pac one.

good observation, they also released "Regulate" clean version instead of the dirty one

That's how they wanted to release it. Would be dope to have the dirty version in CDQ though.

[donfathaimmortal]

out the moon - wasnt pacs verse added from anothr song?

He wasn't on the original version. Not sure if his verse was from another song though.

Suge always wanted his people represented.  According to Big C-Style, what became the Murder Was the Case soundtrack as it is today originally started out as the first intended LBC Crew compilation, which is pretty clear from the first several songs, most of which ended up being Side A of the cassette.  Suge probably didn't want to paint a picture of Death Row just being a bunch of Crip rappers, at least not on their first actual compilation album, so he added some other artists who were more aligned with him and not necessarily part of DPG/LBC... i.e. Danny Boy, Jodeci (even though their song was with Dogg Pound), DJ Quik and OFTB.

In the same interview, Big C-Style said that Suge, who still had some involvement with the LBC Crew compilation since it was intended to be a Death Row release, knew that while it was showcasing a lot of their talent, it needed more star power to help ensure its success, or at least to the level that he wanted for anything with a Death Row logo on it.  Pac was on fire at the time, and Suge had him contribute a verse to that existing song, though I don't think it was clear on whether or not it was intended to be the album version or a B-side mix.

I have always thought that there is an unreleased dirty version of Pac's verse.  The reason for that is because there is both a dirty and clean version of the song recorded (which to me shows that there was a strong possibility of it becoming at least a radio single, which explains why Suge would have Pac contribute to it), though Pac's verse on the dirty Gridlock'd version is clean, oddly enough... clean to the point where it doesn't seem like Pac's original lyrics but more like clean words replacing dirty ones as an afterthought, particularly:

"Watch how they fall when I buck 'em all/ We Outlawz, West Side, playa, touch 'em all"
[Pac usually doesn't say "playa," and "fuck 'em all" would sound like it would fit better at the end]
"Brothas fall, then they crawl and they beg for their life"
[Again, odd use of "brothas," especially when he's talking about his enemies]
"Go tell them bustas up at Bad Boy Records/ That trick's got a big mouth, busta, better check it"
[Uncommon for Pac to say busta, let alone twice in one rhyme scheme, plus it sounds like another layer behind it has him saying "nigga" instead]
"I can see it plain as day, this game I play, wide open/ I pull the trigga, dead figga with his eyes open"
["Figga" was never really a word Pac intentionally put in songs unless he was trying to replace "nigga" in a clean version]

My guess is that Pac did record this after a dirty one, and perhaps Death Row was in such disarray where they either couldn't find it (like how they couldn't find the dirty Hit 'Em Up acapella, hence why the Nu-Mixx has the clean one) or just weren't paying attention when mixing the song for retail release and inadvertently put the dirty LBC Crew verses with the clean Pac one.

Excellent points all around on this. Never occurred to me for some reason. "Out the Moon" is not a good example of it, but Pac was the best at replacing explicit lyrics with clean ones for the radio. Nowadays rappers don't even bother so there's all kinds of awkward gaps.

The first C-Style / LBC Crew sessions began in 1994. First, Murder Was The Case was more a LBC compilation with Tha Dogg Pound Gangstaz extended family, Tha Dogg Pound, Lil Style, Young Swoop, Nate Dogg, Slip Capone... Then, Snoop Doggy Dogg set up DoggyStyle Records sub-label under Death Row with Tray Deee and Big C-Style artists like LBC Crew (Bad Azz, Techniec & Lil Style), Mz So Sentrelle and the LowLifes (Bad Azz, CoCo Loc, Shorty K) plus LT Hutton. During this era, Tha Dogg Pound also got their project of Murder Incorporated sub-label with artists like NME and Grench Tha Mean One. C-Style, Dave Knight and Soopafly (who got his own GangstaGangsta Muzic imprint) launched C-Style Productions. Out The Moon was due to be the lead single of the first DoggyStyle release, the LBC Crew compilation (DoggyStyle Death Row / Executive produced by Snoop & Big C-Style).

Then, Out The Moon had to appear on Tha DoggFather. That's when the Pac verse was included in the alternate version of the song, instead of Lil C-Style verse (after the LBC Crew album was definitivly shelved). Get Up To get Down was also recycled (and remixed) from the LBC Crew album in order to appear on the very first tracklists of Tha DoggFather album project. The first safety copy of Tha DoggFather masters also mentions tracks like "Street Life", "Dogg Colar", "What's My Name Remix" and others.

Shelved too, the first maxi single from Tha DoggFather included "Snoop's Upside Your Head Remix", "Out The Moon", "Off The Hook" and "Get Up To Get Down Remix". If you search in the DR DATS references you can c that a DoggyStyle Records compilation was planned with "Out The Moon", "Caught Up", "Quite Obvious"... I mean, this track appears on several DR archives (1995-96) and we understand it was a song that Death Row and Snoop wanted to release in a project. Previously taken from the shelved LBC Crew compilation, this DoggyStyle Records song ended in Gridlock'd OST, but wih 2Pac replacing Lil C-Style.

[Mr Wicked]

Then, Out The Moon had to appear on Tha DoggFather. That's when the Pac verse was included in the alternate version of the song, instead of Lil C-Style verse (after the LBC Crew album was definitivly shelved). Get Up To get Down was also recycled (and remixed) from the LBC Crew album in order to appear on the very first tracklists of Tha DoggFather album project. The first safety copy of Tha DoggFather masters also mentions tracks like "Street Life", "Dogg Colar", "What's My Name Remix" and others.

yeah, at some point snoop decided to drop all the 2Pac featured songs from his Doggfather album because at that time he didn't want to come off as if he wanted to profit of Pac's death by putting him on his album
that was the reason why "Street Life" didn't make the album and probably also the reason for "Out The Moon" (with Pac) not making the album

[JeremyM]

Was the "What's My Name" remix the one from the Death Row Greatest Hits set? Would've been a bad idea to have that on Doggfather, a remix of a song from three years earlier.

[TraceOneInfinite]

Then, Out The Moon had to appear on Tha DoggFather. That's when the Pac verse was included in the alternate version of the song, instead of Lil C-Style verse (after the LBC Crew album was definitivly shelved). Get Up To get Down was also recycled (and remixed) from the LBC Crew album in order to appear on the very first tracklists of Tha DoggFather album project. The first safety copy of Tha DoggFather masters also mentions tracks like "Street Life", "Dogg Colar", "What's My Name Remix" and others.

yeah, at some point snoop decided to drop all the 2Pac featured songs from his Doggfather album because at that time he didn't want to come off as if he wanted to profit of Pac's death by putting him on his album
that was the reason why "Street Life" didn't make the album and probably also the reason for "Out The Moon" (with Pac) not making the album

Snoop needed all the good songs he could get.  You can tell he wasn't hungry anymore like he was on his first album.  If he was a hungry artist he would of done everything he could to put the hottest joints on his album, whether that be with Pac, LBC Crew or whoever.  That was the biggest letdown I ever had buying an album, I still remember it, November 12th, 1996, my friend left during lunch at school and picked it up for me since he had a license and I was still only 14.   I got home and bumped it and I kept getting closer and closer to the last track till finally I got there and still no bangers..

The second biggest letdown was Snoop's next album, The Game is to Be Sold.  It was summer 1998 and I went to a midnight sale at blockbuster music on monday night.  There was a line of people waitin to buy it, I put that shit in and the first song had me hyped (like all No Limit albums the first song gets you hyped to buy it, just a marketing ploy), and then it just got worse and worse after that.

 

[Jimmy H.]

I think Snoop still had at with Doggfather but the direction wasn't there.  I think there are some great records on there but even if you put all your personal preferred cuts from that era Snoop in, it still just wasn't as much there but I think it gets way too much flack.  He was expected to meet the expectations he created off "Doggystyle" and had so many factors against him. Dre wasn't there to oversee it anymore. His relationship with Pac had been strained during the making of it and his death happened shortly before it was released.  Suge was indicted.  Death Row had just put out "Makaveli" a week earlier and where previously, under the Dre partnership, they were distancing the releases a little more, Pac's crazy workhorse studio ethic, probably encouraged a dynamic to the fold to get more put out at a quicker pace, which may not always be a good thing. It's also well-documented that Snoop's creative direction at that time conflicted with where Suge was trying to go with it.

[dnjp4life]

I voted 'Gang Related' because it contains some of my favourite joints on there by 2Pac, but I think overall 'Gridlock'd' might be the better all-round album with songs by a variety of Death Row artists.
I thought Daz' song was about Dr. Dre? And 2Pac's song was a sort of call-to-arms towards Snoop in terms of riding with him in the beef with Bad Boy Records?
By the way, does anyone know the deal with the song 'Deliberation' by Anonymous.  It's an excellent track to close the album but it's interesting because it's in complete contrast to the overall sound of the album.  Does it appear in the film at any point?

[Okka]

I voted 'Gang Related' because it contains some of my favourite joints on there by 2Pac, but I think overall 'Gridlock'd' might be the better all-round album with songs by a variety of Death Row artists.
I thought Daz' song was about Dr. Dre? And 2Pac's song was a sort of call-to-arms towards Snoop in terms of riding with him in the beef with Bad Boy Records?
By the way, does anyone know the deal with the song 'Deliberation' by Anonymous.  It's an excellent track to close the album but it's interesting because it's in complete contrast to the overall sound of the album.  Does it appear in the film at any point?

Do you people even listen to the lyrics?

"The big homeboy C-Style put him on, 19th Street got him on his way". Sure, he's talkin' about Dre.

[DeeezNuuuts83]

Then, Out The Moon had to appear on Tha DoggFather. That's when the Pac verse was included in the alternate version of the song, instead of Lil C-Style verse (after the LBC Crew album was definitivly shelved).

That makes some sense.  Even though it's weird that all Snoop did was the chorus, the song itself on Gridlock'd did get credited as a Snoop song featuring such-and-such, so I guess that would be consistent with how it was cataloged for release when it was supposedly intended for Tha Doggfather.

[Sccit]

Imagine Gang Related would be a one-disc release and this would be the tracklist:

01. Way Too Major - Daz Dillinger, Tray Deee
02. These Days - Nate Dogg, Daz Dillinger
03. Made Niggaz - 2Pac, Outlawz
04. What's Ya Fantasy - Daz Dillinger, Outlawz
05. Life's So Hard - 2Pac
06. A Change To Come - J-Flexx, Tenkamenin a.o.
07. Gang Related - Daz Dillinger, WC, CJ Mac, Tray Deee
08. Lost Souls - 2Pac, Outlawz
09. Mash For Our Dreams - Daz Dillinger, Storm, Young Noble
10. Loc'd Out Hood - Kurupt
11. Staring Through My Rear View - 2Pac, Outlawz
12. Free'em All - J. Flexx, Tenkamenin
13. Hollywood Bank Robbery - The Gang

 

add tech n9ne's "questions" and u got a classic LP

[Morphine]

I still remember it, November 12th, 1996, my friend left during lunch at school and picked it up for me since he had a license and I was still only 14.   I got home and bumped it and I kept getting closer and closer to the last track till finally I got there and still no bangers..

 

This is the exact moment when infinite got stuck in 1996.
 
first Pac got shot and then Snoop made an album with no hits , too much for his poor brain.

[TraceOneInfinite]

 h

I still remember it, November 12th, 1996, my friend left during lunch at school and picked it up for me since he had a license and I was still only 14.   I got home and bumped it and I kept getting closer and closer to the last track till finally I got there and still no bangers..

 

This is the exact moment when infinite got stuck in 1996.
 
first Pac got shot and then Snoop made an album with no hits , too much for his poor brain.

No.. actually it was when my girl Ashley left her dads house to go live with her mom in Maryland, she left on the morning of August 22nd, 1996.  After she left I was at the pool later that day with some friends and it actually hit me that she was gone and I felt my heart break and I was never the same after that.  That was the end of my youth/childhood and I spent the next four years in deep, dark depression until I converted to Islam in 00' and took on a while nother persona...

Ashley left august 22nd, 96 and I was pretty much finished except all those around me were still giving me props and id built up so much positive momentum and the outside world was still on and poppin... Dre came out with "East Coast West Coast Killaz" I bought the crucial conflict and Atliens album and highschool started and the first weekend of school everything was coming my way, the most popular girl in the grade wanted me, dudes were lookin to me to like run shit, sportsstar in school, but I couldn't capatalize on anything really and Pac was shot and killed and the snoop album flopped a couple months later, death row crumbled the dre album flopped and my life was in a free fall.  I developed Anhedonia and thought my back was fucked up for a couple years but it was all psychic pain, physically my back was fine.

So no, the exact moment was at the pool about 1pm, August 22nd, 96

[Morphine]

okay, now i understand a bit better.


stay off the weed .