Suge tried to put out 2Pac ORIGINALS CD

[V2DHeart]

A little bit of an unknown, but Suge had attempted to release a 1 disc album of 2Pac containing original versions from the albums: "Still I Rise", Until The End of Time" & "Better Dayz". Death Row had a lot of involvement in those albums and had master copies of all the tracks, "original" master copies.

From the early submission of paperwork, Suge was blocked. Although no publishing agreement existed at the time, Amaru claiming it infringed on trademark rights as the album would consist of, and be promoted as a NEW "2Pac" product. It was from here that it was decided Death Row could not release ANYTHING new that didn't fall under their existing realm meaning that Death Row could now only re-release the existing Death Row/2Pac catalogue of All Eyez on Me & Makaveli, not Still I Rise", Until The End of Time" & "Better Dayz.

Now this wasn't to be a rough original CD release. It was to be properly mixed and mastered. You would see how Death Row put out 2Pac songs beforehand through the Chronic 2000 & Too Gangsta releases slightly touched up from the pure original. This was to be the idea for this album slated for an early 2003 release. Titles to include such songs as "Tattoo Tears", "Never Call U Bitch Again" & "Letter 2 The President".

Of course, this was blocked and we got later that year was the 2Pac Nu Mixx CD

[Kashif mirza]

That would be crazy if suge put out a 2pac  cd of og versions back then maybe e one will do something like that a double cd  if they have tupac tracks left in da vault.

[adi760]

Instead of it we get Loyal to the Game - fuck u Amaru.

[V2DHeart]

This is why Loyal to The Game was out before the leftovers. No issues with Death Row on that one

[Giesuz]

what's the source to this?

[Black Excellence]

Instead of it we get Loyal to the Game - fuck u Amaru.

[Jimmy H.]

what's the source to this?

I'm wondering the same. It sounds like gossip to me. Especially since it was public knowledge in 2000 that Death Row was preparing a four-disc boxed set called "The Vault" with "Untouchable" featuring Crooked I being promoted as the lead single. This was where Amaru stepped in and had the rights issues figured out over Pac's music and the four disc concept was broken up in two separate two-disc albums that became "Until the End of Time" in 2001 and "Better Dayz" in 2002.

I've never heard anything about them putting out the originals. It sounds like another story invented to make it seem like it was all Amaru who damaged Pac's legacy and how Death Row wanted to keep the music the same. While I love the Pac tracks on "Too Gangsta", they are clearly updated tracks. "Thug Nature" has Johnny Valentine doing a new chorus on the track. As I have mentioned elsewhere, the closest thing in concept to what you are talking about was "R U Still Down" which was put out by Amaru/Interscope with no input from Death Row.

[GangstaBoogy]

See, Suge FTW

[Sccit]

everything shoulda been kept original, wit additional co-production at the very most

[TraceOneInfinite]

everything shoulda been kept original, wit additional co-production at the very most

this argument has been discussed many times at the forum, and I've always been on the opposite side. 

When you listen to songs like "Changes" and "Until The End Of Time" they made timeless classics out of leftover Pac verses.  I was very pleased with all the albums from R U Still Down up through Until The End of Time.  Even, Better Dayz still had some gems although it started to get weaker the more they used outside producers, artists that weren't really down with Pac during his life.   I mean, Em did the best he could with the material he had to work with but you can only make miracles out of leftover tracks for so long.

[Sccit]

everything shoulda been kept original, wit additional co-production at the very most

this argument has been discussed many times at the forum, and I've always been on the opposite side. 

When you listen to songs like "Changes" and "Until The End Of Time" they made timeless classics out of leftover Pac verses.  I was very pleased with all the albums from R U Still Down up through Until The End of Time.  Even, Better Dayz still had some gems although it started to get weaker the more they used outside producers, artists that weren't really down with Pac during his life.   I mean, Em did the best he could with the material he had to work with but you can only make miracles out of leftover tracks for so long.

true, there were occasional instances where the remixes came out dope....but overall, there was more damage done than not. if they only remixed a couple songs off each project ala changes & until the end of time, it woulda been sufficient enough.

[Jimmy H.]

I understand the updated production when it works but the needless inclusion of guest stars who weren't even in the game when Pac was alive got to be a bit much. I'm probably one of the few around here that didn't hate "Loyal To The Game" but jeez if "Pac's Life" ain't one of the most forgettable projects ever? It felt so directionless and thrown together.

[Sccit]

VERY TRUE. PACS LIFE WAS AWFUL...LOYAL 2 THE GAME WAS AT LEAST SOMEWHAT BUMPABLE. I THINK HIS POSTHUMOUS RECORDS GOT WORSE WITH EACH RELEASE. MAKAVELI=EASILY THE BEST, PAC'S LIFE=EASILY THE WORST

[Jimmy H.]

VERY TRUE. PACS LIFE WAS AWFUL...LOYAL 2 THE GAME WAS AT LEAST SOMEWHAT BUMPABLE. I THINK HIS POSTHUMOUS RECORDS GOT WORSE WITH EACH RELEASE. MAKAVELI=EASILY THE BEST, PAC'S LIFE=EASILY THE WORST

Well, Makaveli actually was a record he put together while he was alive but I would for the most part, agree with that. I think Better Dayz was stronger than Until The End Of Time though. I'm not even sure I can call "Pac's Life" awful or not. I can't even remember much of anything on it, besides some goofy Swizz Beatz remix of "Untouchable" and the title track with Ashanti, TI, and Snoop.

[V2DHeart]

That "Vault" project was a fan rumour blown way out of proportion. What it was, was to be an inhouse project (one that was to be started by the likes of Daz, Big Hutch) to revitalize 2Pac's unreleased work, which would have worked out to around 4-5 discs worth of material. This wasn't all to be released as some big boxed set, but to have a selection of "releasable" tracks to select from as a lot of the work was incomplete, or required touching up. This is also where rumours of diluting the tracks to duplicate the total number of unreleased tracks derived from.