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Puffy and bad boy was scared shitless to even mention 2pacs name, let alone rock a stolen DR chain in a video.
I think they were just smarter not to get caught up in it, whereas Death Row were fuelling it to make money - "New York, New York", "2Pac's Hit em up", "Suge's comments about Puffy on stage".
There was a reluctance to play a lot of West artists, but that's because a lot of West artists sucked. during the 90's there was a huge surge of mediocre rappers survived off of the West's "g-funk" sound and production
it was the intro of a bad boy mixtape that came out in the summer of '96. even puffy knew that nigga was nothin' to be scared of.
I can't agree with that, when Puff's only replies were on some random intro of a mixtape that only circulated within New York, for the most part... not even on a retail release or at least something that would make its way out to Cali. Everything else, he was being friendly -- from what he said when accepting awards to what he said in interviews to what adlibs he made on whichever project he was involved in. I can respect the fact that he wanted to play it cool, but it's kind of pussy to only talk big on some little mixtape when you're not an underground act restricted to mixtapes.
Quote from: DeeezNuuuts83 on January 22, 2014, 02:18:01 PMI can't agree with that, when Puff's only replies were on some random intro of a mixtape that only circulated within New York, for the most part... not even on a retail release or at least something that would make its way out to Cali. Everything else, he was being friendly -- from what he said when accepting awards to what he said in interviews to what adlibs he made on whichever project he was involved in. I can respect the fact that he wanted to play it cool, but it's kind of pussy to only talk big on some little mixtape when you're not an underground act restricted to mixtapes.I think that shows you the level of respect that Bad Boy had for the "beef." It was a one sided beef in reality.
Quote from: whoisthis on January 22, 2014, 02:20:14 PMQuote from: DeeezNuuuts83 on January 22, 2014, 02:18:01 PMI can't agree with that, when Puff's only replies were on some random intro of a mixtape that only circulated within New York, for the most part... not even on a retail release or at least something that would make its way out to Cali. Everything else, he was being friendly -- from what he said when accepting awards to what he said in interviews to what adlibs he made on whichever project he was involved in. I can respect the fact that he wanted to play it cool, but it's kind of pussy to only talk big on some little mixtape when you're not an underground act restricted to mixtapes.I think that shows you the level of respect that Bad Boy had for the "beef." It was a one sided beef in reality.I would agree with you if nobody from Bad Boy ever said anything. But that wasn't the case. We have:* Puff dissing Pac back on the mixtape intro we've been discussing* Biggie and Lil Cease dissing Pac (but not saying his name) on an MTV interview where he said something about Pac getting shot, then being calm, then being a tough guy* Puff and Biggie's responses in the VIBE to Pac's jailhouse interviewLopsided beef? Maybe. But one-sided? Definitely not.
I would agree with you if nobody from Bad Boy ever said anything. But that wasn't the case. We have:* Puff dissing Pac back on the mixtape intro we've been discussing* Biggie and Lil Cease dissing Pac (but not saying his name) on an MTV interview where he said something about Pac getting shot, then being calm, then being a tough guy* Puff and Biggie's responses in the VIBE to Pac's jailhouse interviewLopsided beef? Maybe. But one-sided? Definitely not.
You're confusing Beef with Battle. Diddy and BIG didn't share the same feelings that Pac had towards them. It was a one-sided beef, not Battle. Bad Body did have responses for the disses, they just didn't put out diss record after diss record.
We think of Pac and all his disses now because we heard them. When Pac was alive the only diss anyone heard was Hit Em Up. It wasn't until after he death all that shit came out. People act like when Pac was alive, all we heard was Bad Boy disses. Pac had an idea of releasing 2 albums on the same day, see who sold more and then squash it.
Perhaps, but in that scenario, the two (beefing and battling) were practically overlapping. But let's not pretend that Bad Boy was hoping to be friends with Death Row -- they weren't squashing shit, and they were contributing to the beef, just not on wax like you said. Biggie calling into the radio station when Snoop, Daz and Kurupt were filming in NY wasn't some battle shit -- that was beef. It was clear he didn't like them (doesn't matter if Pac was there or not), but he put it out on the radio, and that likely got them shot at. Sounds more like beef than battling to me, particularly when you say or do something that puts their safety at risk. Same thing with Puff putting money on the Death Row chains (again assuming that is in fact true). It wasn't all that one-sided, it's just that there were more publicized stories about what Death Row was doing and saying.
It wasn’t even going after New York. It wasn’t a diss record. It really wasn’t. “New York, New York” was a record that we made in dedication to New York. We really felt that New York created hip-hop. New York created battle rap and the whole ball of wax so what I did was a battle rap on this beat DJ Pooh did. That beat originally, DJ Pooh made it for Biggie Smalls for a St. Ides commercial.It really got blown out of proportion through the media. It also got blew out of proportion by a lot of people from New York because we wasn’t dissing New York. Before we were knocking down buildings, Do you remember the beginning part of the video when we were in New York in the snow and having fun? That’s the original video. We wanted Nas and everybody from New York to be in the video. It was a dedication to New York but then, we got shot at it while we were shooting it.New York felt we were disrespecting them. [Laughs] The New Yorkers wasn’t going for it. They was like “Oh, no! You ain’t gonna shoot this shit out here dissing us.” They shot at us the next day so I mean, after they shot at us. We went back home and Snoop was like, “Man, fuck that!” Then we shot the other part of the video where we started kicking everything the fuck over. That’s why we started kicking things over because we got shot at it. [Laughs]
Quote from: Montana Mob on January 22, 2014, 01:04:02 PMQuote from: Kiss My Black Ass ! on January 22, 2014, 06:49:08 AMQuote from: Jack Trippa 3z company ho on January 21, 2014, 09:14:03 PMPuffy and bad boy was scared shitless to even mention 2pacs name, let alone rock a stolen DR chain in a video. I call bullshit. How do we know for sure that this was recorded/released while 'Pac was still alive?As far as I remember, not one person said 'Pac's name (in a disrespectful way) on a song while he was alive.it did. it was the intro of a bad boy mixtape that came out in the summer of '96. even puffy knew that nigga was nothin' to be scared of.
Quote from: Kiss My Black Ass ! on January 22, 2014, 06:49:08 AMQuote from: Jack Trippa 3z company ho on January 21, 2014, 09:14:03 PMPuffy and bad boy was scared shitless to even mention 2pacs name, let alone rock a stolen DR chain in a video. I call bullshit. How do we know for sure that this was recorded/released while 'Pac was still alive?As far as I remember, not one person said 'Pac's name (in a disrespectful way) on a song while he was alive.
Quote from: Jack Trippa 3z company ho on January 21, 2014, 09:14:03 PMPuffy and bad boy was scared shitless to even mention 2pacs name, let alone rock a stolen DR chain in a video. I call bullshit.
Puffy and bad boy was scared shitless to even mention 2pacs name, let alone rock a stolen DR chain in a video. I call bullshit.
Quote from: Kiss My Black Ass ! on January 22, 2014, 01:30:18 PMQuote from: Montana Mob on January 22, 2014, 01:04:02 PMQuote from: Kiss My Black Ass ! on January 22, 2014, 06:49:08 AMQuote from: Jack Trippa 3z company ho on January 21, 2014, 09:14:03 PMPuffy and bad boy was scared shitless to even mention 2pacs name, let alone rock a stolen DR chain in a video. I call bullshit. How do we know for sure that this was recorded/released while 'Pac was still alive?As far as I remember, not one person said 'Pac's name (in a disrespectful way) on a song while he was alive.it did. it was the intro of a bad boy mixtape that came out in the summer of '96. even puffy knew that nigga was nothin' to be scared of.He clearly wasn't at all scared of being called the "B" word