Canelo vs. Angulo

[whoisthis]

Any feelings on this fight?

For me, it's another safe fight. The same kind of safe fights that are truly hurting Boxing. On Paper, to a casual fan, this looks like a great fight. 2 young Mexican stars. 1 who is approaching Super Star status and the other who is known for being a tough guy. It probably will be a slug fest. But, a fighter like Angulo is tailor made for Canelo. He's a stationary fighter who doesn't mind taking punishment and lacks any real defense. He's dangerous enough to test Canelo's chin, but not dangerous enough to make him look bad. When I read this Canelo quote:

"People want to see excitement. They want action. They don't want to see running...He was the best option to fight."

I knew immediately why the fight was made with Angulo. That quote is directed at Erislandy Lara. Lara called Canelo out back in December. After his fight with Trout he said "I did what Canelo couldn't do...I dominated Trout and I dropped him. Now we have to make a fight that everyone wants to see which is me against Canelo." And in the Post-Fight press conference, Lara answers the question about what he wants to say to Canelo. Forward to the 40 second mark.

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I'm not shocked the fight didn't happen. But, disappointed. Lara punches hard enough, but his biggest strength is his defense. Golden Boy knew that if they put Lara in the ring with Canelo, Canelo would not look like a superstar, but be exposed for having extremely poor cardio and moreover, his struggles with defensive fighters.

When you break it down, Lara makes the most sense to be next in line. While he struggled with Angulo, Lara ended up stopping him because the Ref thought Angulo had broken an orbital bone:



The aforementioned dispatching of Trout came after this. Since getting robbed against Paul Williams, Lara is 4-0-1 and should probably be 5-0 had it not been for an accidental headbutt vs. Martirosyan.

[Chamillitary Click]

Canelo will handle business.

[whoisthis]

Canelo will handle business.

Then he'll fight Cotto next and say that this was the best fight possible.

[O.G A.Geesta'z]

should be a good tune up fight for Canelo, Angulo can pose a threat dude is tough and has power but his boxing skills arent matched for Canelo, if i remember correctly i think Angulo was beating Lara until he suffered that injury, but i could be wrong because i lost my scorecard app on my old phone...

either way its going to be an exciting fight to help Canelo set up for a bigger fight, i think Cotto and Martinez are in the works right now since Canelo chose to fight Angulo instead... I'm not going to count Angulo out just yet cus dude does have power, but he's never really beat anyone really good besides Joel Julio who i thought was kinda over rated anyways...

I see Canelo either giving him a boxing lesson and dominating the middle rounds like he did against Trout, but one big punch can hurt Canelo if he gets sloppy slugging it out.

hopefully whoever wins the fight, this sets up for a fight against the returning Ricardo Mayorga  lol jk

[whoisthis]

should be a good tune up fight for Canelo, Angulo can pose a threat dude is tough and has power but his boxing skills arent matched for Canelo, if i remember correctly i think Angulo was beating Lara until he suffered that injury, but i could be wrong because i lost my scorecard app on my old phone...

either way its going to be an exciting fight to help Canelo set up for a bigger fight, i think Cotto and Martinez are in the works right now since Canelo chose to fight Angulo instead... I'm not going to count Angulo out just yet cus dude does have power, but he's never really beat anyone really good besides Joel Julio who i thought was kinda over rated anyways...

I see Canelo either giving him a boxing lesson and dominating the middle rounds like he did against Trout, but one big punch can hurt Canelo if he gets sloppy slugging it out.

hopefully whoever wins the fight, this sets up for a fight against the returning Ricardo Mayorga  lol jk

Yeah, Lara went down a few times against Angulo, but he kept on fighting and working the head, which helped him win the fight. Cotto and Martinez are SUPPOSED to fight and hasn't been finalized yet. http://www.badlefthook.com/2014/1/20/5328756/martinez-vs-cotto-negotiations-include-no-catchweight-full-160-pound

But Cotto said this also:

http://www.boxingscene.com/cotto-says-canelo-clash-very-possible-this-year--73643

He wants to stay relevant so he'll fight Canelo any day. I just don't think that's the best fight for Canelo. He's young and if Golden Boy wants him to be a star, he needs to face some tougher talent. Not just punchers and punching bags. He got lucky with Trout that they fought in Texas and that Trout has little to no power. Lara is a better defensive fighter than Trout and has more power.

Mayorga is going to fight until he's 85. Is he done doing MMA?

[O.G A.Geesta'z]

should be a good tune up fight for Canelo, Angulo can pose a threat dude is tough and has power but his boxing skills arent matched for Canelo, if i remember correctly i think Angulo was beating Lara until he suffered that injury, but i could be wrong because i lost my scorecard app on my old phone...

either way its going to be an exciting fight to help Canelo set up for a bigger fight, i think Cotto and Martinez are in the works right now since Canelo chose to fight Angulo instead... I'm not going to count Angulo out just yet cus dude does have power, but he's never really beat anyone really good besides Joel Julio who i thought was kinda over rated anyways...

I see Canelo either giving him a boxing lesson and dominating the middle rounds like he did against Trout, but one big punch can hurt Canelo if he gets sloppy slugging it out.

hopefully whoever wins the fight, this sets up for a fight against the returning Ricardo Mayorga  lol jk

Yeah, Lara went down a few times against Angulo, but he kept on fighting and working the head, which helped him win the fight. Cotto and Martinez are SUPPOSED to fight and hasn't been finalized yet. http://www.badlefthook.com/2014/1/20/5328756/martinez-vs-cotto-negotiations-include-no-catchweight-full-160-pound

But Cotto said this also:

http://www.boxingscene.com/cotto-says-canelo-clash-very-possible-this-year--73643

He wants to stay relevant so he'll fight Canelo any day. I just don't think that's the best fight for Canelo. He's young and if Golden Boy wants him to be a star, he needs to face some tougher talent. Not just punchers and punching bags. He got lucky with Trout that they fought in Texas and that Trout has little to no power. Lara is a better defensive fighter than Trout and has more power.

Mayorga is going to fight until he's 85. Is he done doing MMA?

yeah thats why i said its "in the works" meaning they are trying to work something out, but Martinez i think is the best middleweight around besides GGG (its a shame he's being pushed as HBO next big star but they cant air his fight coming up in February) i really dont think Martinez is the best fight for Cotto, i think Cotto needs to stay at 154 because thats his best weight since i dont think he can make 147 anymore... also I dont see him beating Martinez or Canelo but im sure its going to be a great fight regardless cus i was never really a big fan of Cotto throughout his career until he took his break, because dude always comes to fight and puts great matches, i mean he made the Floyd fight an exciting one and gave him the best fight any boxer has given him in years since Castillo...
I think the Canelo vs Trout had a few more swing rounds but i have Canelo alot of those middle rounds and the knockdown helped him allot i had it 116-111 for Canelo but i could see how some people saw it closer then what it was, but Canelo had the better shots that won him those rounds...

and the Trout vs Lara fight i remember watching it and thinking damn trout doesnt have it anymore or Lara is really that good to dominate a guy like Trout... so your right about that

as far as Mayorga goes, yeah he's done with MMA and hopefully gives us one last good fight win or lose he's the most entertaining funniest boxers ever... He's training in Vegas right now, I'm sure he will take a fight for a bottle of Jim Beam and a pack of Marbolo Reds... lol but he's always been one of my favorites just cus how much of a lunatic he is, I remember i use to knock out all my friends with him on Fight Night Round 2 back in the day

[whoisthis]

GGG is the most exciting fighter to me right now. He's said he's willing to fight anyone from 154-168. No one wants to fight him though.

To me, Cotto had the best blueprint to fight Floyd, he was just not at the top of his game any more then. But, it's been a while since then and I think Cotto is really just a shell.

As for Canelo, dude looked so sluggish against Trout and I remember I had Canelo winning but by like a Point or so. I remember one judge had it like 118-110 or some crazy shit. I couldn't believe it. It was a very close fight and without the Knockdown, most people would've had Canelo winning. To me, Trout is a B+ fighter on his best day and if Canelo is supposed to be A+, he shouldn't let someone like Trout almost beat him.

Mayorga is definitely a character. I still remember when he said he was going to Fuck Oscar De La Hoya's wife or some crazy shit. Nut job for real.

[O.G A.Geesta'z]

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at 4:07 Mayorga says;
''Hey, Vargas; i want you to know something. After i leave you a failure in 2 rounds in the ring, your mom is going to be the worst drunken whore in that sonafabicth of a country, you heard. Because you're not going to be able to maintain her you faggot.''
at first i remember i didnt want to buy this ppv because i just thought it was two washed up boxers trying to get their last pay day but then i remember watching the press conference and watching this interview and that made me buy it, and im glad i did it was a very entertaining fight and made me like Ricardo even more

yeah and i was all about Mayorga beating Oscar's ass, but that didnt end up happening and i lost alot of money on that fight lol
but watch all his press conferences and interviews, he has some classic ones he said to Mosley, Cotto, Vargas, De La Hoya, and even against the guys in mma, just youtube them and watch his press conferences for a good laugh

LMAO just listen to what dude says he's fuckin hillarious, and that slap at 9:00 almost put his ass down lol
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then watch the end they act all cool, see Mayorga is a lunatic but's he knows how to sell fights win or lose he always says sorry for what he says, even in the Vargas fight afterwards i remember he said he didnt mean any of the shit he said, it was all to hype the fight and sell tickets, he basically does what Floyd and Broner do but 10x better

[whoisthis]

^Classic shit. He was an asshole, but he was funny. I rarely wanted Mayorga to win, but when he was fighting Vargas, you would have thought I was his number 1 fan. I hated Vargas (and still do) with a passion. Victor Ortiz reminds me of Vargas more than anyone. That's why I don't like Ortiz either.

[O.G A.Geesta'z]

dude same here... i hated Vargas and now i hate Ortiz, but Vargas was more of a mexican fighter then Ortiz ever will be, Ortiz has no heart and was a big let down, he was suppose to be the next Oscar De La Hoya and failed in the process, i hope Callazo beats his ass like Lopez did

[whoisthis]

dude same here... i hated Vargas and now i hate Ortiz, but Vargas was more of a mexican fighter then Ortiz ever will be, Ortiz has no heart and was a big let down, he was suppose to be the next Oscar De La Hoya and failed in the process, i hope Callazo beats his ass like Lopez did

I always felt Vargas was a fraud. He really got to his position using his mouth. He never really beat anyone of importance outside of Quartey and Winky. He used being a Mexican pretty boy like Oscar to his advantage. I always hated him.

Ortiz was the first fighter Oscar saw as his successor. Which, I guess I always dislike. When a fighter is forced on us as some sort of star. He made his name beating bums and then quit and whined after getting clobbered by Maidana. Fast forward to 2:45.

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That was when the respect was thrown out the door. His fight vs. Berto was awesome, but he had no business jumping into the Ring with Floyd after that. Which makes me laugh that Floyd and his fans will clown Manny for fighting a guy like Clottey or Rios. I'm hoping he loses, too, but Collazo just looks good on Paper. He's lost every "big" fight he's been in.

[O.G A.Geesta'z]

so has Lopez but he still made Ortiz quit
i think Callazo is a superior boxer then Ortiz and if he fights smart and boxes him he could win, but if he tries to throw hands with him he could get hurt or lose rounds to Victors more impact punches, if Ortiz loses i really hope i dont have to hear from him again and he just goes back to fighting bums or is a stepping stone for younger guys to get their break

[whoisthis]

so has Lopez but he still made Ortiz quit
i think Callazo is a superior boxer then Ortiz and if he fights smart and boxes him he could win, but if he tries to throw hands with him he could get hurt or lose rounds to Victors more impact punches, if Ortiz loses i really hope i dont have to hear from him again and he just goes back to fighting bums or is a stepping stone for younger guys to get their break

You're right. Josesito was supposed to be a walk through for Ortiz and be broke his jaw. I don't see Ortiz over looking this fight. If he loses here, he's done. He'll be trying to break his contract like Guerrero is right now, because Golden Boy won't want to give him any worthwhile fights.

[O.G A.Geesta'z]

so has Lopez but he still made Ortiz quit
i think Callazo is a superior boxer then Ortiz and if he fights smart and boxes him he could win, but if he tries to throw hands with him he could get hurt or lose rounds to Victors more impact punches, if Ortiz loses i really hope i dont have to hear from him again and he just goes back to fighting bums or is a stepping stone for younger guys to get their break

You're right. Josesito was supposed to be a walk through for Ortiz and be broke his jaw. I don't see Ortiz over looking this fight. If he loses here, he's done. He'll be trying to break his contract like Guerrero is right now, because Golden Boy won't want to give him any worthwhile fights.

 A kid i once trained with named Jerry Belmonte's aka The Corpus Christi Kid was suppose to be Golden boys next big draw too, he sold well here in south texas then he went on a losing streak and he secretly cant wait until he's out his contract with Golden Boy, he told me they are setting him up for failure after his first loss...
but he cant draw a fuckin dime outside of texas anyways... but growing up you knew when you saw him at the gym he had something special, he could box and was hard to hit, i remember i was 13 in the boxing gym sparring against my best friends while Jerry was my age sparring against 17 year olds

Golden boy is a bit corrupt, Oscar can turn into the new Don King any time he wants...
I heard Dana white wants in on some boxing promotions, hopefully he can get the fights HBO vs Showtime cant or get what Arum vs Golden Boy cant...
the promotion is what is killing the sport and it has been for years

[whoisthis]

^Loses'll kill you in Boxing. Your boy sounds just like Abner Mares. Abner was essentially on his way to being the next big thing.  Real big pay days. Headlining shows at Staples (even though they were barely selling tickets). Getting HUGE paydays. Dude is driving a Panamera. And then,l he got KO'd this summer. His payday for this fight dropped significantly. The promotion for the fight dropped significantly. The love from Golden Boy is not there like it used to be. If he loses again, that's that. Though, he'd be better off out of Golden Boy since a lot of the talent in his weight fight for other promotions. I think that Kid you knew is the story of so many in Boxing. To even get to be a Pro, you have to be the absolute best in the Amateurs. You have to be the absolute best from your Gym. Your City. You have to be head and shoulders above the rest. And then you get to the Pro's and everyone else is like you. Now, to be successful, you have to be even better than them and it just doesn't work out.

I grew up with John Molina. Dude was on his way, too. Fighting on ESPN FNF, HBO and Showtime. Names like Broner came up as possible opponents. He walked into the right with Antonio Demarco in what was supposed to be a walk through and got KO'd. Demarco fought Broner 2 months later. Molina was about to be done for good when he was fighting Mickey Bey and was losing for the 3rd time in 4 fights. But, out of nowhere, he KO'd Bey in the last round.That round saved his career. Fast forward to the 1:35 mark.

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All Promoters are crooks in Boxing. But, when Arum retires (or dies, which ever comes first), Boxing will see the Flood gates open. Whoever runs TR next would be willing to work with GBP and vice versa. Where the problem lies right now is the networks. HBO acts as another promoter on top of TR and they dictate the fights they want. Showtime takes what they can get and they have 2 of the best Weight classes in Boxing all to themselves, save for Manny. I see Arum as the domino that will spark the change.

Boxing Promoters are probably all afraid to see what Dana White will do with Boxing. He's behind a reality show about Boston's Boxing scene right now. The UFC model works for Fans AND the UFC as a company. It doesn't work for the Fighters. Your highest paid MMA guys are making nothing compared to Boxings top guys. Broner made 1.5 against Paulie. He would've been top paid in the UFC all year, on that one fight. Veteran fighters would reject it. Has to start with the next generation.