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WHO IS THE GREATEST QB OF ALL TIME?
Hack Wilson - real:
blamng Welker for not catching that awful pass in 2011's superbowl is a joke. that shit was a bad pass son.
tom brady hasn't won a superbowl since I was a high schooler...damn i feel old.
Hack Wilson - real:
The Manning assassins here are ridiculous. He's going to own every passing record in the book (games won, touchdowns, passing yards, completions, . He never had the best defense in the league (in 2007 the Colts had the #3 ranked defense and in 2002 they were ranked 8th...that's the best he got) yet he always put his team in the playoffs.
The Colts were a top four offense in the league 8 years with Peyton and the Broncos have been twice in two years. Anyone with a brain knows that Dan Marino was a better QB than Terry Bradshaw so using superbowls as an end-all is meaningless.
M Dogg™:
--- Quote from: Mr. Bones on January 30, 2014, 04:54:01 PM ---The Manning assassins here are ridiculous. He's going to own every passing record in the book (games won, touchdowns, passing yards, completions, . He never had the best defense in the league (in 2007 the Colts had the #3 ranked defense and in 2002 they were ranked 8th...that's the best he got) yet he always put his team in the playoffs.
The Colts were a top four offense in the league 8 years with Peyton and the Broncos have been twice in two years. Anyone with a brain knows that Dan Marino was a better QB than Terry Bradshaw so using superbowls as an end-all is meaningless.
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I was actually a Manning fan. But I hate to judge a book before I read the last chapter.
Chamillitary Click:
http://www.youtube.com/v/pT6XziIQ5RI
LOL. Only a biased ass Giants fan, who watched the two luckiest Super Bowl wins of all-time has the nuts to blame that on anyone else but Welker. Son reverted to the fetal position thinking he could hide from the billions watching him.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on January 30, 2014, 08:54:27 AM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on January 30, 2014, 07:32:02 AM ---Johnny Unitas and it's not even close.
Johnny on the 80s Niners would have been in the Superbowl every year and won at least 5. Montana on the late 50s/early 60s Colts would have been injured for the season by the 3rd game of each year and have been cut, plus he simply would not have been very effective against legal illegal contact by DBs where he'd be forced to throw outside the hash marks.
Had Paul Brown simply allowed Walsh to get the HC job in Cinci then we may be talking about Ken Anderson like we are Montana, and we may not have ever really known Montana.
Someone please get their hands on some Unitas games and then watch some games by other QBs in that era, and see how far ahead of them he was. It was a much harder environment to play QB in and he looks like a modern QB in it.
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You might be right except Joe Montana had a career 63% completion rating, and had a season with 70%. Montana was build for the short passes of the west coast offense. Plus the only season Montana had more INT's than TD's was the strike shorten year. As for Unitas, he NEVER completed more than 59% of his passes and had 8 out of 18 seasons with more INT's than TD's. To be far most those seasons he was passed his prime. But it is hard to compare different eras. What if Johnny U. played in a offense like Peyton Manning which could highlight his strong arm and he had receivers who were faster than he could imagine. I don't think Johnny U. would do well in a westcoast offense though. It would not allow him to use all his arm strength.
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The reason for the pass completion is very simple, the west coast system was famous for short passes to the RBs after fake hand-offs and in general short high percentage throws. A better comparison would be to see what Joe's, or any modern QB's, completion percentage was if you only count balls that pass the line of the scrimmage before being caught, and even better pass 5 yards after the line scrimmage. Johnny didn't play against the defensive studs of the 80s, but the guys in the 50s and 60s could get away with a lot more. You simply couldn't run a west coast system under those defensive rules because DBs were allowed too much contact on the WRs before the ball was thrown. 25% to 35% of Montana's passes should have just been run plays, and would have been run plays in the 50s and 60s. The fact that he only has 63% completion shows just how bad he was at down the field throws, because his short passes are the majority of his work and they really beef up the average.
To say that Johnny couldn't play west coast is like saying MJ couldn't hit a lay up. Just because the guy prefers to dunk it doesn't mean he can't easily bank it in.
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