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(MLB) Derek Jeter Retires
MistaNova:
--- Quote from: Remedy360 on February 13, 2014, 12:16:20 AM ---I don't get it..would you rather not have people show appreciation for one of the generations greats that happens to play on your team?
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I don't mind people saying goodbye to Jeter in say September or near the end of the season. I do mind people (or rather the media) hyping everything up and constantly shoving down the fact that this is Jeter's last year all throughout the summer.
But who knows, maybe I just think that that's going to happen because it happened last year with Rivera and this time it's for Jesus Christ.
--- Quote from: Shallow on February 13, 2014, 06:47:32 AM ---Based on what? I love A-Rod and in his prime he is a great argument for the best among those he played against, but A-Rod in the 90s had rivals that you could argue for. Ruth in the 20s did not. It would be easier to argue a better baller than Jordan in the 90s than a better baseball player than Ruth in the 20s. And who knows much much better the Yankees could have been if they let him pitch as well. This was a Cy Young caliber pitcher who could hit nearly .400 and rack up 40 to 50 HRs. NOT EVEN CLOSE!
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Based on my eagerness to argue with somebody.
Your post is an incoherent mess. Are you trying to say that Babe Ruth is better than A-Rod because A-Rod wasn't as dominant in the 90's/00's as Babe Ruth was in the 20's?
A-Rod managed to be one the best (fuck it, he was the best) in his prime during one of the most offensive and competitive eras known to baseball whereas Babe Ruth pretty much played with dead-ball era players who couldn't hit home runs against pitching staffs that rarely ever used bullpens. A-Rod managed to beat out other offensive all-time greats like Barry Bonds and Ken Griffey Jr. while hitting against juiced up pitching like Roger Clemens. Meanwhile Babe Ruth was playing with guys who finished their 10 year MLB careers with 40-50 HRs total, meaning his competition was FAR weaker.
Chamillitary Click:
--- Quote from: Iveus on February 13, 2014, 08:45:22 AM ---Based on my eagerness to argue with somebody.
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That explains a majority of your posts in this section lmfao.
MistaNova:
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on February 13, 2014, 03:35:50 PM ---
--- Quote from: Iveus on February 13, 2014, 08:45:22 AM ---Based on my eagerness to argue with somebody.
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That explains a majority of your posts in this section lmfao.
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Lol, true.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Iveus on February 13, 2014, 08:45:22 AM ---
--- Quote from: Remedy360 on February 13, 2014, 12:16:20 AM ---I don't get it..would you rather not have people show appreciation for one of the generations greats that happens to play on your team?
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I don't mind people saying goodbye to Jeter in say September or near the end of the season. I do mind people (or rather the media) hyping everything up and constantly shoving down the fact that this is Jeter's last year all throughout the summer.
But who knows, maybe I just think that that's going to happen because it happened last year with Rivera and this time it's for Jesus Christ.
--- Quote from: Shallow on February 13, 2014, 06:47:32 AM ---Based on what? I love A-Rod and in his prime he is a great argument for the best among those he played against, but A-Rod in the 90s had rivals that you could argue for. Ruth in the 20s did not. It would be easier to argue a better baller than Jordan in the 90s than a better baseball player than Ruth in the 20s. And who knows much much better the Yankees could have been if they let him pitch as well. This was a Cy Young caliber pitcher who could hit nearly .400 and rack up 40 to 50 HRs. NOT EVEN CLOSE!
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Based on my eagerness to argue with somebody.
Your post is an incoherent mess. Are you trying to say that Babe Ruth is better than A-Rod because A-Rod wasn't as dominant in the 90's/00's as Babe Ruth was in the 20's?
A-Rod managed to be one the best (fuck it, he was the best) in his prime during one of the most offensive and competitive eras known to baseball whereas Babe Ruth pretty much played with dead-ball era players who couldn't hit home runs against pitching staffs that rarely ever used bullpens. A-Rod managed to beat out other offensive all-time greats like Barry Bonds and Ken Griffey Jr. while hitting against juiced up pitching like Roger Clemens. Meanwhile Babe Ruth was playing with guys who finished their 10 year MLB careers with 40-50 HRs total, meaning his competition was FAR weaker.
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Before I address the rest of your post the topic was Rushmore, as in who will be seen as the greatest Yankee, and it's Ruth by far because of what he did for the team and for the sport.
As for who was better, I still say Ruth. Fuck the era. You take Babe Ruth out of 1920 give him trainers and the A-Rod HGH diet and he'll still lead the league in HRs and bat .350 against 16 different teams with barely an ace on each team. You take A-rod, from 1999 or 2000 and take away his modern sports medical training, and replace his HGH with beer and hot dogs and throw him in a league that only has 7 other teams to play against stacked with aces on each team and he won't lead the league in shit.
People like to tear down the old days of sport like it's not even comparable as if the human body took three steps in evolution since 1920. You had only a handful of teams in each League, and only so many sports for pitchers, an ace on each team could throw high 90s. Factor in the spit ball, the vaseline on their caps, and it was at least as hard then to get a hit. Lets not even factor in the fact that Yankee Stadium was 460 up the middle. Go read the book The Year Babe Ruth Hit 104 Homeruns to see what I mean.
And the Dead Ball era applied to Ruth to. You think it was a coincidence Ruth jumped from under 30 to over 50 when they brought in new balls every few days? And there were guys hitting HRs in the 20s and 30s during the 1920s when Ruth was on that tear. Guys like Ken Williams, and Lou were hitting dingers. And Joe Hauser could have been a real HR stud had he not broken his leg early in his career and then get screwed over by Ty Cobb.
MistaNova:
Okay, so you're saying that if you put Babe Ruth in any other era and gave him the proper training and diet and only had him face 15 teams that don't have any ace-caliber pitchers he'd still dominate the game, but if you put A-Rod back in the 1920's without proper training or a proper diet and had him face 7 teams with really good pitching he wouldn't be shit. Correct?
If so, no fucking shit. You put Babe Ruth or anybody with that much talent in a 16 team league with terrible pitching staffs and give them proper training and put them on a proper-ish diet then it shouldn't be a surprise if they dominate the league. Especially as time goes on and Ruth gets used to how the pitchers (who probably aren't talented enough to make adjustments) all pitch.
Meanwhile if you put A-Rod in a 8 team league with incredible pitching staffs without giving him proper training or a proper diet, yeah, he'll have a tough time.
Your situation is full of holes and only serves to give Ruth an advantage.
And look I'm not the kind of person who thinks that everything before the "modern era of baseball" should be thrown out completely. I'm aware of how shit was different back then. How there were shittier pitchers, how heavier bats were, how travelling everywhere wasn't as great as it is today, how they played with dirty lumpy balls that couldn't fly out of stadiums and how they played in stadiums that were so big that balls couldn't fly out of them anway. I think players from back them do deserve some credit for all that.
But at the same time things have changed for the better and baseball is a tougher sport now then it was when Ruth was playing. Especially considering how when Ruth was playing the MLB was all whiteys (except for some people that weren't white looked white). Imagine how different Ruth's career would've been if the MLB had as many races back then as it does now.
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