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Shallow:

--- Quote from: Iveus on February 13, 2014, 08:43:47 PM ---Okay, so you're saying that if you put Babe Ruth in any other era and gave him the proper training and diet and only had him face 15 teams that don't have any ace-caliber pitchers he'd still dominate the game, but if you put A-Rod back in the 1920's without proper training or a proper diet and had him face 7 teams with really good pitching he wouldn't be shit. Correct?
If so, no fucking shit. You put Babe Ruth or anybody with that much talent in a 16 team league with terrible pitching staffs and give them proper training and put them on a proper-ish diet then it shouldn't be a surprise if they dominate the league. Especially as time goes on and Ruth gets used to how the pitchers (who probably aren't talented enough to make adjustments) all pitch.
Meanwhile if you put A-Rod in a 8 team league with incredible pitching staffs without giving him proper training or a proper diet, yeah, he'll have a tough time.
Your situation is full of holes and only serves to give Ruth an advantage.

And look I'm not the kind of person who thinks that everything before the "modern era of baseball" should be thrown out completely. I'm aware of how shit was different back then. How there were shittier pitchers, how heavier bats were, how travelling everywhere wasn't as great as it is today, how they played with dirty lumpy balls that couldn't fly out of stadiums and how they played in stadiums that were so big that balls couldn't fly out of them anway. I think players from back them do deserve some credit for all that.
But at the same time things have changed for the better and baseball is a tougher sport now then it was when Ruth was playing. Especially considering how when Ruth was playing the MLB was all whiteys (except for some people that weren't white looked white). Imagine how different Ruth's career would've been if the MLB had as many races back then as it does now.

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I didn't mean to say A-Rod would be shit. I said he wouldn't lead the league, mainly because Babe Ruth was playing. But A-Rod would still be one of the greats of that era.

And I showed the difference in the number of teams and the leeway pitchers had with substances that weren't banned yet to show more of a parity, rather than a dominance. So when you update all the medicine and training and let anyone who can play into the league I think it evens out.

I don't think blacks being allowed to play would have any effect on Ruth's numbers. Well, not none at all. There would have been some deep balls that went for doubles that may have been chased down by the best black outfielders, and a few superfast groundball singles may have been scooped up before getting past the outfield, but most of the numbers would rely on pitching and the black pitcher never really existed. Even if they let blacks into the league back then I'm not sure many would have won the jobs. A lot of white outfielders and shortstops would be out of work completely but the white pitcher was safe. Latin America didn't have baseball yet so they wouldn't be a factor. The American Black pitcher is a rare thing. There's barely a handful even worth mentioning after the color lines were broken. I think the few that would have made it would have been among the very best of that era but Babe only would have had to face them every so often.

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