It's May 11, 2024, 08:16:21 AM
, he tried to fund a follow-up on Kickstarter, in 2012, but raised less than a quarter of his ten-thousand-dollar goal.
I think Jamar has some valid criticisms but there's this amusing irony about this idea of "hip-hop conservatives". The big challenge with conservative ideals is you're trying to sell the idea of the past to the future. The nature of all cultures is it is a young man's world. The younger generation is going to run it all and there is this fear amongst the older crowd that what we spent a lifetime building is going to fade into obscurity under the watch of younger people who are ignorant to its values. The thing is hip-hop, beyond being black or white, gay or straight, rich or poor, is a youth culture. It was founded on taking what was old and forgotten and flipping it and making its own thing.When it first infiltrated the mainstream, it was taking old funk and soul and even rock and roll records and sampling them, sometimes with crude expressions of violence, sexual innuendo, or profanity. For all the wealth and influence conservative America supposedly had, you had wealthy upscale white kids who now wanted to talk and act like they were poor black kids. A lot of these liberal middle-aged couples who preached equality and came up on the civil rights movement, we're now secretly scared about this dangerous music. Hip-hop culture was the liberal-minded racist's worst nightmare. Now, it's a twenty-year gap and our generation is becoming the "parental figures". And how does one rebel against parents who grew up smoking weed and listening to gangsta rap music? By threatening what is comfortable. Instead of wearing saggy jeans and "gang clothes", now they are dressing in tight shirts and skinny jeans. Instead of white dads worrying about their daughters bringing home black boyfriends, now people are nervous about their sons bringing home boyfriends. In the end, most of it is all paranoia. There is always going to be a rebellion to what is the norm. The folks who grew up in church-going traditional 1950's America believed that you enlisted and fought for your country. The youth backlash from that was a generation that would rather take drugs and fuck than go fight wars. What it all boils down to is the youth is always going to be the ones steering the ship. The guys who were it in the 90's aren't going to be the ones calling the shots no more. You get that limited window to be the voice. Once your time is up, the next group is going to take what they perceive to be the best parts of your message and roll with it until someone comes along and grabs it from them.
You're rationalizing and justifying faggotry, basically saying its a natural progression and anyone who disagrees is out of touch with the times. You're being bamboozled/brainwashed.
Some good replies. And yeah i probably should've linked the actual statement in only Jamar's words, as opposed to the author i linked up adding in his own opinions. I guess its one of those things hey, of course he will be accused of being bitter and old and washed up, out of touch etc, yet he's allowed to express his opinions and he dose make some valid points. Yeah its funny huh, rap is a young mans game and i think that these days more than ever young people really dont give a fuck about what older people say or think and will go out of their way to be different or think that older people or the old ways are un cool or what not. I think it has always been this way but i think that people now see 30 as being very old. Young kids will look up young rappers and want to look and be like them. It is hard to imagine hip hop been considered uncool or lame and being gay. Yet it has become a bit like that hey? the fashion and the horrible embarrassing music. It seems that fashion always changes each decade or so but then history kind of repeats? Anyways, i agree with some of jamars comments but i do think he was a little out of line and border line racist in some parts. Most of the other rappers that have replied seem to indicate that Jamar was out of line and being a bit ignorant and racist, out of touch. Most responses are that hip hop is for everybody and it isnt just a black think, etc. I honestly doubt that it would ever been taken over by whites or for it to be more common for whites to be rappers but as i type this, i guess i can see where jamar is coming from. I know that here in Australia that Aussie hip hop has become very big and that the kids, new generations that have grown up with the likes of Eminem and there now being a big Aussie rap scene that is actually taken seriously, it seems that all the new young hip hop heads mostly listen to white hip hop. Local hip hop that they can relate too more. So i guess there is truth in Jamars foresight in that sense. Its funny because when i was a kid there were almost no white rappers and there wasn't much of a local rap scene and the Aussie rap i remember back then was fucking shit house and embarrassing. Even now i respect Aussie rap but i don't listen to it or like much of it. But the younger kids all follow that scene and go to white rap shows and battles, etc. Its funny too trying to get my youngest brother into the hip hop and rappers that i grew up with. Whilst he likes wu tang and kurupt he was actually a big 50 an lil wayne fan for a while there and he preferred old eminem or mostly likes Australian rap. he also made a comment to me that spun me out. Some rap that i played him, he didn't like how they said the word nigga so much. I never really thought about it like that because that was just the norm for me yet now the kids have a local rap scene where its something they can more relate to and it isn't full of American or black slang and way of living. Also, there is so much shit American rap coming out now, so much embarrassing black rap. Now, whilst i have yet to hear ANY Australian rappers or MANY white American rappers that i like better than black rappers and as lyrical or that make such dope music, it has to be said that most white hip hop(both American and non American) that i hear dose indeed sound like actual hip hop. By that i mean it sounds old school. It dosent have pop and rnb hooks and its reality rap or story telling in a way in that is either party music or it has a message. I always hear white rap with old school sounding sampling and scratches and its just rap that isn't all about bling or murder. just not as lyrical or not as good rapping lol. And i dont hear white rappers all trying to jump on that south sound. So many white graffiti artist and dj's too. Anyways i find myself feeling old. Iam often making comments about kids these days lol. The fashion, the hair styles, the music, the state of hip hop, etc... I cant really comment on the whole gay thing but it is unimaginable for me personally for it to be accepted in hip hop or for a openly gay rapper to ever be taken seriously. On a side note, i am a Lord Jamar fan. I have several of brand Nubian album(and yes i skip the "black and proud" song lol) but iam mostly a fan of Sadat X. Hmmm, i wonder what Jamar thinks about sadat's recent song he did with ra the rugged man and and vinne paz? If you use google or look on you tube there are alot of other rappers responses to this. I feel rappers cant win anyways. Look at DPG. they do 90's style gangsta shit, they accused of being washed up and stuck in the 90's. they do something different and experimental and more modern and they get criticized and everyone wants them to go back to the gangsta shit. Just like Snoop. Thank god for rappers like Nas whom have done very well at pleasing old and new heads but he can get fucked for telling me he dosent need me on his last album...