Cold187Um - The Fall Of Death Row Records, Reggie Wright & 2pac At Jamaica Hous

[jmix]

Part 3:
we speak on
Artists Album's Being Pushed Back
Danny Boy
Reggie Wright
Hutch Running The Label And His Vision
Too Gangster A "Slander Record"
A Death Row Boo Yaa tribe Album?
The Behavior That Ruined Death Row
Hutch & Pac Seeing A Shooting At Jamaica House

[DeeezNuuuts83]

I'm not surprised at the potential Boo Yaa Tribe album on Death Row, considering how they (mostly Ganxsta Ridd) had been contributing a few songs (mostly around when they were recording Too Gangsta for Radio) and been seen with Suge a lot, especially with Suge and Kurupt (obviously when Kurupt was back with Death Row) having done some promo photos for that Gawtti brand that they were pushing a few years back.  But they would've been the hardest act on Death Row, EVER, as far as hood rep.  Especially Kobra.

[Jimmy H.]

+1. Great one as usual, JMix.

I think Hutch nailed it with the argument that Suge throwing so many rocks at Dre and Snoop when they were the most popular artists at that time was a mistake. 

[DeeezNuuuts83]

I think Hutch nailed it with the argument that Suge throwing so many rocks at Dre and Snoop when they were the most popular artists at that time was a mistake.

Excellent point... I forgot about that part of the interview.  But yeah, it seemed like it was endless.  Off the top of my head:

* Stealing the Chronic 2000 album title
* Half of the content of Too Gangsta for Radio
* The narration of the Too Gangsta for TV VHS/DVD
* The liner notes for Dead Man Walkin where it had a picture of Snoop with his head down and a caption reading "Money Over Bitch"
* The Death Row website where it had the "All dogs run and hide" tagline with the gunshot and wounded dog noise in the background
* Suge's ridiculous interviews with BET from prison, like where he said Dre told him that he wanted to be white

Etc.  All that unnecessary hate.

[Jimmy H.]

More than any of that, I think it distracted from the promotion of the artists who were over there. Most of what was done seem aimed at getting at them, instead of establishing their own talent.

[V2DHeart]

Looking back as a mature adult, The Death Row jabs come of more as bitter now, but back then I can remember Eminem was hated on massively at the start from all the rap fans (it was the pop fans, moshers and goths buying his stuff). Snoops No Limit CD at the time was seen as wackest release ever, and the fact that Dre was no longer working with Snoop made it look as if he abandoned him in favour of focusing all in this new, white novelty pop rapper. In an era where rap was growing ever increasingly 'clean-cut' and forced, the 'underground' underdog image Death Row had then was actually quite good, but they ruined it with the 2Pac / Snoop clones

[WestSideDon]

Still remember the 2nd era of death row with suge completely getting outta control with his disses and threats to former label members.
If he didn't act like a whiny bitch and wouldve just focused on establishing all the new acts on his label like Crooked I etc. maybe there couldve been a succesfull second era for tha row.
I still own the Chronic 2000 and Too Gangsta For Radio albums, they were actually not bad but the intention behind the projects fucked it up.
Also its kind of funny to listen to Top Dogg & Tha Realest now, both were actually good rappers but again the intention was so laughable, I mean who wanted to hear a bootleg pac & a bootleg snoop (although top dogg doesn't even sound that much like snoop, tha realest of course does sound almost completely like pac)?

[V2DHeart]

Some of Suge's disses were hilarious though. The obvious lightened contrast of a picture of Dre on that "Suge on the Real" DVD, whilst Suge states how Dre went to him asking for Suge to make him white. The "W" tattoo on each ass cheek (with the implication being that it spelt WOW when he got his ass stretched) He done it in such a calm and condescending manner that it was funny. I think the consistency of them made it look like obsession though

[abusive]

I've never been a ATL fan. I had the Black Mafia Life album but could never get into it. I still love Black Superman though. It used to come on the Box and from time to time I pull it up on youtube.

You guys talk as if beef was the reason DR fell and that simply isn't the case. Sure the label could have been better without it but beef wasn't the reason for its demise. As Reggie Wright said, it was still making money even up until Suge got out. I blame the feds for destroying the label. People love beef then and now. Probably more so then.

Also in the interview and in this thread people keep harping on Crooked I. I don't think Crooked I would have been well received back then. I think you may be looking at it after the fact. They do get props for signing him early but that's where I draw the line. Danny Boy, yes. Lisa Lopez, yes. They would have put up numbers. Crooked I in my personal opinion wouldn't have been a factor at all. Perhaps a cult following, well received by "heads", critical acclaim, respect amongst his peers etc. but not nearly the amount of success that DR was used to seeing.

I do agree cloning Snoop and Pac was just out right stupid. I never understood the point. I wish Suge could do a in depth interview and speak on stuff like that and where his head was.

I'm glad 187 spoke again on Until The End of Time. People don't seem to know that is was a DR release as well. It's perceived as a just a Interscope venture.

[bigpimpin20]

Where hes talkin bout Boo-Yaas album in that interview?

[V2DHeart]

Also in the interview and in this thread people keep harping on Crooked I. I don't think Crooked I would have been well received back then. I think you may be looking at it after the fact. They do get props for signing him early but that's where I draw the line. Danny Boy, yes. Lisa Lopez, yes. They would have put up numbers. Crooked I in my personal opinion wouldn't have been a factor at all. Perhaps a cult following, well received by "heads", critical acclaim, respect amongst his peers etc. but not nearly the amount of success that DR was used to seeing.

I agree with this. Crooked I's Say Hi To The Bad Guy material isn't all of that. He would have struggled, but gold may have been achievable with Untouchable. I always thought Eastwood was the more commercially appealing of the 2 if they were going to run with 1.

[jmix]

i loved the whole "this is where Snoop Dogg Lives" [directions to his house] part of Death Row Uncut.. I aleways thought it was a joke, until I saw Snoops reality show..and YEP that is his house..bwahahahaa