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M Dogg™:
--- Quote from: Sccit on December 31, 2014, 05:19:54 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on December 31, 2014, 05:07:24 PM ---
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--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on December 31, 2014, 03:39:18 PM ---Magic and Jordan faced off in a finals too.
The hard part of finding that generational split is there wasn't that really bad year or transformative player in the mid 2000's. In the 80's Jordan was that split, in the 90's, KG jumping to the NBA was that split, 2000's horrible draft class was that split, and I only put Rondo in the last generation because he fits that one better than the Durant generation, and Durant I think is that player to signal the split in generation. And since a player's prime is only 4-6 years, to me a generation is only that long. Magic and MJ were close in age and closer in draft class, but clearly different generations. Magic was still in his prime, 31 and led L.A. to the finals, as Jordan entered his, 27 and the scoring champion. In 2012 you had a very young Durant trying to knock off the unbeatable Heat with LeBron as the leader of the Heat. But now LeBron is starting to fade and Durant will rise as an individual player. As for Rondo, he was the hardest to put in a generation, but I truly think Durant will be seen as that player to define his generation the same way Jordan did. Not saying his top 10 all time, but he is top 5 today and of his era.
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they faced in the finals when magic was out his prime......different eras, brodie. magic was 80s, mj was 90s, kobe was 00s, durant 10s (same with lebron, he falls under 10s).....the 20s will most likely be the anthony davis era.
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Except Magic was only 31, and he had all his career averages that year, 19ppg, 12.5apg, and 7rpg. Still hurting all his numbers and he led a Laker team that didn't have Kareem anymore.
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it was the end of magic's era and the beginning of michael's g....if magic had never contracted HIV and continued playin, it'd be another story. but i mapped it out perfectly, u cant disagree.
magic 80s
jordan 90s
kobe 00s
durant/lebron 10s
davis 20s
the 10s is still up for discussion....if durant wins titles before 2020, he will be the player of the generation. davis is lookin like the clear cut favorite to lead the future tho.
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You are insistent on erasing LeBron from NBA history. First off, if anything decades are to general to judge eras. Second, some like LeBron are kind of weird in between decade stars. But if you insist on judging by decades, I'd split them by halves.
Early 80's, Magic/Bird
Late 80's, Magic/Thomas
Early 90's, Jordan/Hakeem
Late 90's, Jordan/Malone
Early 00's, Shaq & Kobe/Duncan
Late 00's, Kobe/Duncan/Pierce
Early 10's LeBron/Duncan & Parker
Late 10's, my guess is Durant/Curry
Hack Wilson - real:
how can Kobe even be in the same conversation as Shaq when Shaq was the one who won the 3 finals MVP's
there are a clear separation of greatness at that moment in time
Hack Wilson - real:
if you look at NIK posts from that era you even see him refer to Shaq as the greatest center of all time :laugh:
Sccit:
--- Quote from: Hack Brodenheimer on December 31, 2014, 07:13:00 PM ---how can Kobe even be in the same conversation as Shaq when Shaq was the one who won the 3 finals MVP's
there are a clear separation of greatness at that moment in time
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thats because that was kobe pre-prime.....by 2001, it was already clear that kobe was on his way to bein even better than shaq. shaq already called him the best player on the planet by then. and once u take in every other career accolade from points, to first teams, to championships., it aint even close.
your last sentence dont make sense.
Sccit:
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on December 31, 2014, 07:10:12 PM ---
--- Quote from: Sccit on December 31, 2014, 05:19:54 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on December 31, 2014, 05:07:24 PM ---
--- Quote from: Sccit on December 31, 2014, 04:35:03 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on December 31, 2014, 03:39:18 PM ---Magic and Jordan faced off in a finals too.
The hard part of finding that generational split is there wasn't that really bad year or transformative player in the mid 2000's. In the 80's Jordan was that split, in the 90's, KG jumping to the NBA was that split, 2000's horrible draft class was that split, and I only put Rondo in the last generation because he fits that one better than the Durant generation, and Durant I think is that player to signal the split in generation. And since a player's prime is only 4-6 years, to me a generation is only that long. Magic and MJ were close in age and closer in draft class, but clearly different generations. Magic was still in his prime, 31 and led L.A. to the finals, as Jordan entered his, 27 and the scoring champion. In 2012 you had a very young Durant trying to knock off the unbeatable Heat with LeBron as the leader of the Heat. But now LeBron is starting to fade and Durant will rise as an individual player. As for Rondo, he was the hardest to put in a generation, but I truly think Durant will be seen as that player to define his generation the same way Jordan did. Not saying his top 10 all time, but he is top 5 today and of his era.
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they faced in the finals when magic was out his prime......different eras, brodie. magic was 80s, mj was 90s, kobe was 00s, durant 10s (same with lebron, he falls under 10s).....the 20s will most likely be the anthony davis era.
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Except Magic was only 31, and he had all his career averages that year, 19ppg, 12.5apg, and 7rpg. Still hurting all his numbers and he led a Laker team that didn't have Kareem anymore.
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it was the end of magic's era and the beginning of michael's g....if magic had never contracted HIV and continued playin, it'd be another story. but i mapped it out perfectly, u cant disagree.
magic 80s
jordan 90s
kobe 00s
durant/lebron 10s
davis 20s
the 10s is still up for discussion....if durant wins titles before 2020, he will be the player of the generation. davis is lookin like the clear cut favorite to lead the future tho.
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You are insistent on erasing LeBron from NBA history. First off, if anything decades are to general to judge eras. Second, some like LeBron are kind of weird in between decade stars. But if you insist on judging by decades, I'd split them by halves.
Early 80's, Magic/Bird
Late 80's, Magic/Thomas
Early 90's, Jordan/Hakeem
Late 90's, Jordan/Malone
Early 00's, Shaq & Kobe/Duncan
Late 00's, Kobe/Duncan/Pierce
Early 10's LeBron/Duncan & Parker
Late 10's, my guess is Durant/Curry
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now you just doin too much lol
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