Tulowitzki...

[MistaNova]

So Tulowitzki's been in the news recently because he decided to go see a baseball game over at Yankee Stadium the other day to see two also-rans compete for second place in the AL East. Now everybody and their grandma is talking about Tulowitzki coming to the Yankees (that and how the Rockies spelled his name wrong on the t-shirts they gave away). Anybody with common sense knows that Tulo won't be coming to the Yankees anytime soon since the Yankees couldn't offer the Rockies shit and Tulo's under contract for 7 more years. However the question still remains, will Troy Tulowitzki get traded?
Now the Rockies don't necessarily have to trade him. If the last few years have been any indication they're perfectly fine with staying mediocre and letting the prime years of Tulo and Cargo rot in the only place where teams can score runs anymore. But trading someone like Tulowitzki would benefit the team that's not really deep in talent and struggling to take steps forward.
If he does get traded however, the Rockies are going to fuck up that trade royally. For starters they're going to need a trade partner who can take on a significant portion of Tulo's contract AND offer some decent returns. This pretty much eliminates all of the small market teams and quite a few big market teams (there's no way the Mets are going to be willing to take on any money). Plus at this point nobody expects Tulo to have 162 at-bats anymore, let alone play in 162 games. His name value far exceeds his player value and if anybody knows this, it's the team that hypothetically nets Tulo in a trade. Which might be good news for a team with an overrated farm system like the Dodgers. Under normal circumstances Joc Pederson wouldn't get the Dodgers much but he just might be enough to get Tulo if LA also chooses to eat most of Tulo's contract.

So will Tulo get traded or not? He probably will but not this year. Maybe around 2019 or 2020 when his value has gone down dramatically and he's gone from the player whose amazing but always injured to the player who used to be amazing and is still injured. MLB teams always love picking up players like that, especially contenders.

[Hack Wilson - real]

he better come here

[Chamillitary Click]

Met fans around here are talking that shit that they'll trade some of the potential future aces of theirs for Tulo.

Like Syndergaard, Montero & someone for Tulo.

[Remedy360]

Met fans around here are talking that shit that they'll trade some of the potential future aces of theirs for Tulo.

Like Syndergaard, Montero & someone for Tulo.

A smart GM would never trade to any NY based team for a guy named "Montero".

[Halu Sination]

I think both Tulo and CarGo have seen their trade value diminish too much after an extensive history of injuries. Don't get me wrong, I'd still gladly take Tulo on the Dodgers, but just speaking from an unbiased perspective, it truly is a shame that Rockies held onto both for so long while doing absolutely nothing with their pitching to help the team make the play-offs.

[MistaNova]

I've always thought Tulo was mad overrated. He's on fire for like a month or two but then he's out with an injury for the rest of the year. Fuck him.
Personally if the Yankees are going to go after a Rockie I feel they'd be better off with CarGo. Better swing and better chances of staying healthy (although that probably isn't saying much since Tulo gets a 2.5/10 when it comes to actually staying on the field).

[Halu Sination]

I've always thought Tulo was mad overrated. He's on fire for like a month or two but then he's out with an injury for the rest of the year. Fuck him.
Personally if the Yankees are going to go after a Rockie I feel they'd be better off with CarGo. Better swing and better chances of staying healthy (although that probably isn't saying much since Tulo gets a 2.5/10 when it comes to actually staying on the field).

lmao word. To be frank, I think both are pretty overrated considering what field they play in, but Tulo more so because offensive outfielders are a dime a dozen (unless you're Mike God Trout) while offensive infielders are scarce these days.

But Tulo really is hitting the daylights out of the ball. Again, I would gladly take him on the team. Shit, it ain't like it's our money lol.

Would Yanks have anything to offer for CarGo if they assume most the contract? You think Gary Sanchez would be enough?

[MistaNova]

lmao word. To be frank, I think both are pretty overrated considering what field they play in, but Tulo more so because offensive outfielders are a dime a dozen (unless you're Mike God Trout) while offensive infielders are scarce these days.

But Tulo really is hitting the daylights out of the ball. Again, I would gladly take him on the team. Shit, it ain't like it's our money lol.

True.

Would Yanks have anything to offer for CarGo if they assume most the contract? You think Gary Sanchez would be enough?

No. If the Yankees want CarGo they'll have to take on that contract and give up Gary Sanchez, Luis Severino, Eric Jagielo, Aaron Judge, Robert Refsnyder, Tyler Austin, Ian Clarkin, Manny Banuelos, Peter O'Brien, Greg Bird, Slade Heathcott, Mason Williams (all top 20 prospects in the Yankees org) plus J.R. Murphy and Dellin Betances.
And no idiotic Yankee fans, trading all these guys for CarGo (or Tulo) is not worth it.

[Halu Sination]

lmao. Btw, how do Yank fans feel about Phil Hughes and Joba Chamberlain? Both are doing pretty well, especially Hughes (bad ERA aside). Is it the same as they view Cano or did Yanks not really pursue the two of them during free agency to begin with?

[MistaNova]

Unlike Cano, every Yankees fan wanted Hughes and Chamberlain out (and preferably headed to a AL East rival). So I guess they're a lot closer to the treatment Granderson got. "You're leaving? K, Bye. Thanks for the memories."
Every Yankees fan knew that Hughes was going to thrive (or at least be better) once he was out of the AL East. Most expected him to go an NL team like the Padres but the Twins were still an understandable landing spot. Going to a small market team that won't have an impatient/obnoxious fan base or media crews breathing down your neck and analyzing you under a microscope 24/7 has done wonders for pitchers in the past that couldn't cut it in NY (see Burnett).
And like Hughes, most expected Joba to go to an NL team and most predicted he'd be a wildcard for a bullpen willing to take a flier on the guy. He could've gone on to be a good reliever, he could've gone on to be a bad reliever. Either way Yankee fans stopped giving a shit about him after they gave a sigh of relief when it was announced that he wouldn't be returning.

So no, these two are not looked at by Yankees fans like Cano. The Yankees and their fans wanted to see these two gone when it was still July 2013.
Cano meanwhile was a guy everybody kind of expected to stay (especially after the Dodgers backed off) so he could have the so-called prestigious honor of being a lifetime Yankee. He was also a guy Yankees fans really wanted to stay put, hence why fans like Cham and Hack are still butthurt and bitter about him taking the money and going to Seattle.

[Halu Sination]

What are your personal thoughts on Cano? I know nobody can really blame him for taking a contract worth $70 million more, but Mo Rivera completely shitted on the dude, saying he doesn't care about winning and has no hustle and whatnot.

[MistaNova]

I personally am neutral and sort of leaning towards being positive about Cano's departure.
For one thing I'm a Yankee fan who is not retarded and actually has the ability to think logically. I know we don't come around too often but we do exist.
For another, I'm ecstatic because the Yankees don't have to pay him that retarded 10 year contract the M's gave him or that other retarded 9 year contract the M's originally offered or that slightly less retarded but still retarded 7 year contract the Yankees offered.
And I can't forget about all the lolz from seeing stupid Yankees fans and their even stupider comments. I especially like how everybody waited until Cano was officially gone to slap the "lazy Latino" tag on him.

The only negative things I have to say about Cano's departure are that I hate how the Yankees squandered the draft pick they got from the Mariners as compensation and I still stand by my opinion that they should've traded Cano at the trade deadline in 2013. 2013 was a lost season for the Yankees anyway and they should've taken advantage of a lot of teams who could've used Cano in the playoffs (looking at you Detroit, Texas and St. Louis).

[Remedy360]

What are your personal thoughts on Cano? I know nobody can really blame him for taking a contract worth $70 million more, but Mo Rivera completely shitted on the dude, saying he doesn't care about winning and has no hustle and whatnot.

He definitely cares about winning. By all accounts he's been a leader since Spring Training here, helping out with the young guys which he apparently didn't do in NY. Kyle Seager's been following him around since he got here, Seager was a solid player before but made his first all star team this year. Can't help but think he at least had something to do with that. As far as the hustle, yeah there's times when he doesn't book it down the line on an easy groundball, but it's not like he's the only guy in the league that does that. It's hard to complain about what he's done so far. Yeah, I definitely expected more home runs but the guys at least hitting in the .330's in a crappy lineup. As far as adjusting to a new team, division, etc it's nothing like when Pujols first came to LA, or when Beltre came here for that matter.

[Halu Sination]

The only negative things I have to say about Cano's departure is that I hate how the Yankees squandered the draft pick they got from the Mariners as compensation and  I still stand by opinion that they should've traded Cano at the trade deadline in 2013. 2013 was a lost season for the Yankees anyway and they could've taken advantage of a lot of teams who could've used Cano in the playoffs (looking at you Detroit, Texas and St. Louis).

You have no idea how much I fucking wish we made a rental trade for Cano in 2013. Yes we would lose prospects for a few months of a rental, but to get a championship? Absolutely. The fact that we even got to the NLCS with Mark Ellis at 2B is incredible, and considering Hanley, Ethier, and Kemp were all out of the play-offs, we REALLY could have used that offense.

[Halu Sination]

What are your personal thoughts on Cano? I know nobody can really blame him for taking a contract worth $70 million more, but Mo Rivera completely shitted on the dude, saying he doesn't care about winning and has no hustle and whatnot.

He definitely cares about winning. By all accounts he's been a leader since Spring Training here, helping out with the young guys which he apparently didn't do in NY. Kyle Seager's been following him around since he got here, Seager was a solid player before but made his first all star team this year. Can't help but think he at least had something to do with that. As far as the hustle, yeah there's times when he doesn't book it down the line on an easy groundball, but it's not like he's the only guy in the league that does that. It's hard to complain about what he's done so far. Yeah, I definitely expected more home runs but the guys at least hitting in the .330's in a crappy lineup. As far as adjusting to a new team, division, etc it's nothing like when Pujols first came to LA, or when Beltre came here for that matter.

Yeah minus the power numbers, I expect Cano to have a very consistent and injury-free career for at least 60% or 70% of his contract.