Chronic 2000: Still Smokin' - RIAA question

[makaveli..]

only reason this sold anything was cause people was mislead in thinking 2pac was alive and had new songs

you still upset about realest ignoring you u lil bitch

[abusive]

it was never certified...it only had to sell 250k to go gold since it was a double album so I assume it did at least that

Well, technically they don't need to have been sold, only ordered and shipped by retail outlets, and the record company would have had to put up the certification fee to the RIAA in order to get them to actually count units shipped and then certify it whatever it is. So any albums still sitting on shelves count are counted toward the RIAAs certification numbers, while SoundScan actually tracks the over-the-counter purchases.

So in a sense it's not how many fans buy it but how many retailers buy it from the record labels. Those were the good old days when the retailers would pay $10 per cd that the industry only spent $1 to manufacture and the consumers would run out to buy the new technology that replaced the cassette tape for upwards of $20.

[Hack Wilson - real]

and double disc CD's could go for 30+

[WestSideDon]

the reason All Eyez On Me was not certified diamond until yesterday is because Suge stopped paying RIAA like a decade ago (maybe longer)

true, Doggystyle is only at 4x platinum and The Chronic at 3x

Is there a reliable source for that, I heard pretty much every number from 4 to 6 million and everything in between for Doggystyle, somewhere i even read something like 8 million or some.
Fuckin confusing.

[M Dogg™]

Yeah, it's actually been 15 years since Death Row updated their sales. But with 2-3 re-releases for many of their albums, I'm sure most of those albums are at least double their official totals. Like I have a hard time believing the Chronic is below 6 million and Doggystyle at 8 million. All Eyez On Me was stuck at 9 million for 15 years, now it finally goes diamond yesterday. But some unofficial numbers have All Eyez On Me at 18-20 million.

http://thesource.com/2014/08/01/2pacs-all-eyez-on-me-achieves-diamond-status/

[WestSideDon]

Yeah, it's actually been 15 years since Death Row updated their sales. But with 2-3 re-releases for many of their albums, I'm sure most of those albums are at least double their official totals. Like I have a hard time believing the Chronic is below 6 million and Doggystyle at 8 million. All Eyez On Me was stuck at 9 million for 15 years, now it finally goes diamond yesterday.

http://thesource.com/2014/08/01/2pacs-all-eyez-on-me-achieves-diamond-status/

Yeah, so its kinda hard to find out actual numbers but they are definetely higher than 3 & 4 million.

[M Dogg™]

Yeah, it's actually been 15 years since Death Row updated their sales. But with 2-3 re-releases for many of their albums, I'm sure most of those albums are at least double their official totals. Like I have a hard time believing the Chronic is below 6 million and Doggystyle at 8 million. All Eyez On Me was stuck at 9 million for 15 years, now it finally goes diamond yesterday.

http://thesource.com/2014/08/01/2pacs-all-eyez-on-me-achieves-diamond-status/

Yeah, so its kinda hard to find out actual numbers but they are definetely higher than 3 & 4 million.

Yeah, I don't think the re-releases were put in the official numbers. It might be that the re-releases of the late-90's and laters are counted as something else. These numbers are shipped disc, so if Death Row stopped shipping the original pressings and started over with re-releases it's possible that the re-releases are counted separately. Plus I wonder what the digital sales are now?

[TraceOneInfinite]

Did this album reached gold status? ANyone know how well it sold? Anyone know how sold albums from Death Row Like Too Gangsta for Radio, RRAGB, Nescessary Roughness?

For some reason I remember hearing that Chronic 2000 Still Smokin sold pretty well.  The only track I liked on the album was Soopafly "Like It Or Not", that album was lucky it sold as well as it did....

NUMixx supposedly did well, and went gold.  One of the producers JMixx interviewed was talking about it and how it actually did well.  I never checked it out.  From what little I heard, they were very lucky to sell what they sold.


Too Gangsta For Radio I don't think sold well....

RRAGB, the numbers I always heard were 300,000, deserved to sell much more as it featured a great lead single, all the Death Row All-Star cast (aside from Dre), and was the last great high quality Death Row album (besides post-humous Pac UTEOT) with the Death Row sound.

Necassary Roughness didn't sell very well... probably 200,000 at most... I was one of those 200,000 who bought it.  I bought it when it came out and it was pretty weak.

[TraceOneInfinite]

If u dont have anything to say just shut up.

what are you talking about, woman?


it sold 3 mill copies x 2 discs

Prove it.. no way that trash album sold that much

[TraceOneInfinite]

I got somewhere a list of potential sales for every Death Row release - need to find it and take a look but as far as I remember, Daz sold around 317k in the US and over 500k worldwide. Lady Of Rage sold around 300k in the US - don't how the numbers worldwide tho.

If Daz sold another 500,000 worldwide in addition to 317,000 then that means they might have earned a healthy profit from the album. 

...I'd be surprised if Rage sold that many.  Jermaine Dupri used to say back in that era that you had to sell 300,000 to turn a profit... so that would mean the Rage album, as weak as it was, actually made some good money for Death Row

[TraceOneInfinite]

Yep Snoop in some interview mentioned that Daz sold 350k of RRAGB.

I thought it was the opposite, I thought Snoop said that he never listened to the album (cause that's when Daz was beefin)... and that it didn't sell shit and failed... and then the interviewer replied that it sold 300K and Snoop said... "No it didn't, it shipped 300,000 but didn't sell shit"

[TraceOneInfinite]

One more question about Nu Mixx Klazzics - it seriously sold 700k? Only 10 well known tracks reached #15 on Billboard 200?

nu mixx was a great cd

that's amazing if a remix album sold that well years after the O.G.'s were released

[TraceOneInfinite]

it was never certified...it only had to sell 250k to go gold since it was a double album so I assume it did at least that

Well, technically they don't need to have been sold, only ordered and shipped by retail outlets, and the record company would have had to put up the certification fee to the RIAA in order to get them to actually count units shipped and then certify it whatever it is. So any albums still sitting on shelves count are counted toward the RIAAs certification numbers, while SoundScan actually tracks the over-the-counter purchases.

So in a sense it's not how many fans buy it but how many retailers buy it from the record labels. Those were the good old days when the retailers would pay $10 per cd that the industry only spent $1 to manufacture and the consumers would run out to buy the new technology that replaced the cassette tape for upwards of $20.

Yeah... they used to charge $20.00 for cd's at times... then it was like a good deal when you could get them at BestBuy for 13.99..... then once the digital game started taking over I remember Puffy and Em would do those early releases of albums like Eminem Show came out 5 days early and was only at like $8.99 on the first week.

...Think back to when Death Row was making major loot selling 2pac "How Do You Want It" maxi-single for $6.99 and selling double platinum with the single that's like almost the money an album might be sold for today.

[aerroc]

only reason this sold anything was cause people was mislead in thinking 2pac was alive and had new songs

you still upset about realest ignoring you u lil bitch

i love how u get mad when i talk facts bout your hero lol im not philuk i have no facebook,twitter or any of that bullshit

[DeeezNuuuts83]

the reason All Eyez On Me was not certified diamond until yesterday is because Suge stopped paying RIAA like a decade ago (maybe longer)

Frankly, RIAA certifications are for bragging rights.  The money comes in regardless of whether it's certified or not.  Five million shipped is five million shipped, and the plaque doesn't get you more money, it just costs you some.  That being said, once you get certified diamond, the later certifications aren't nearly are meaningful.

So in a sense it's not how many fans buy it but how many retailers buy it from the record labels.

True, though retailers don't carelessly order units.  Back in the heyday of over-the-counter sales, I highly doubt there were many albums that shipped platinum but maybe only SoundScanned 100k.

Is there a reliable source for that, I heard pretty much every number from 4 to 6 million and everything in between for Doggystyle, somewhere i even read something like 8 million or some.
Fuckin confusing.

The problem is that too many of those claims are just people speculating on the internet, many of whom base their opinions on things other than logic.

Yeah, it's actually been 15 years since Death Row updated their sales. But with 2-3 re-releases for many of their albums, I'm sure most of those albums are at least double their official totals. Like I have a hard time believing the Chronic is below 6 million and Doggystyle at 8 million. All Eyez On Me was stuck at 9 million for 15 years, now it finally goes diamond yesterday. But some unofficial numbers have All Eyez On Me at 18-20 million.

I don't see where The Source got their info from about AEOM going diamond (since it's not showing on the RIAA database as of right now), but the "unofficial numbers" are bullshit, otherwise the certification would've been well beyond 10 million, since when the RIAA runs the numbers, they will certify the album for the exact amount of units shipped.  So if the RIAA did their certification process and they found that 12 million units were shipped, it would've been certified 10x, 11x and 12x platinum all on the same date.  But 18-20 million is just crazy talk, and it doesn't make sense mathematically.  Let's look at the numbers.

02/13/1996 - Release date
04/25/1996 - Certified gold, platinum and 5x platinum
09/19/1996 - Certified 6x platinum
12/09/1996 - Certified 7x platinum
06/16/1998 - Certified 8x platinum
06/18/1998 - Certified 9x platinum

The reality is that most of the people who wanted AEOM probably bought it YEARS ago.  That's not saying that nobody bought it later on, but a lot of people say "Oh, it sold X amount of units in Y years, and now it's Z years later, than it should be three times as many by now."  No, because albums don't sell at the same consistency as when the album was hot, as shown by the fact that it hasn't been in the Billboard top 200 for years and years.  Even the second hundred (ranking 101-200) are at least moving a couple thousand a week (and even less now, with digital downloads), but it's not on there.

Yeah, I don't think the re-releases were put in the official numbers. It might be that the re-releases of the late-90's and laters are counted as something else. These numbers are shipped disc, so if Death Row stopped shipping the original pressings and started over with re-releases it's possible that the re-releases are counted separately. Plus I wonder what the digital sales are now?

Actually, I do think that the re-releases count toward the numbers, just like how theatrical re-releases of movies (i.e. Star Wars Episodes IV-VI, Titanic, Dark Knight) still count toward the same box office totals.

I think that digital downloads are counted separately though.  But I could be wrong.