Hurt-M-Badd: Boxing MC Hammer/Dr Dre Gay?/Oftb Wanted Him Beat After Sam Sneed

[bigpimpin20]

cool interview props to bomb1st



is there any non 2pac song produced by this guy durring death row days?

[TraceOneInfinite]

Clearly Sam Sneed was bullied into saying Dre was gay.  The whole episode was bullshit and lead to bad karma for Suge and Pac.  Suge not leaving creative control with Dre and causing Dre to leave Death Row was Suge's fatal flaw...

...I love Suge and especially 2pac, but the way they handled the Dre situation I will never agree with.  And that Sam Sneed video was fucking dope, he was showing love to Pittsburgh since he's from there.  You can't be hollerin Death Row/ West Coast/ Bad Boy Killer in every single video or it's going to get played out.  Dre always tried to be innovative and never allowed himself to get played out.  The video was fresh and nobody can hate on it in their right mind.

...also, btw, the way Suge played the video it's like nobody ever saw it... but that shit was on Murder Was The Case, so wasn't that video kind of old by 96'?

[123imagee]

Clearly Sam Sneed was bullied into saying Dre was gay.  The whole episode was bullshit and lead to bad karma for Suge and Pac.  Suge not leaving creative control with Dre and causing Dre to leave Death Row was Suge's fatal flaw...

...I love Suge and especially 2pac, but the way they handled the Dre situation I will never agree with.  And that Sam Sneed video was fucking dope, he was showing love to Pittsburgh since he's from there.  You can't be hollerin Death Row/ West Coast/ Bad Boy Killer in every single video or it's going to get played out.  Dre always tried to be innovative and never allowed himself to get played out.  The video was fresh and nobody can hate on it in their right mind.

...also, btw, the way Suge played the video it's like nobody ever saw it... but that shit was on Murder Was The Case, so wasn't that video kind of old by 96'?

isnīt that video (believed to be "hollywood squares") unleaked?unseen?what are you talking about?

why OFTB wanted hurt beat down?reason?

is dre really gay?

[TraceOneInfinite]

isnīt that video (believed to be "hollywood squares") unleaked?unseen?what are you talking about?

why OFTB wanted hurt beat down?reason?

is dre really gay?

I always thought it was the "Better Recognize" video that Suge played?? Anybody know?

[bigpimpin20]

Clearly Sam Sneed was bullied into saying Dre was gay.  The whole episode was bullshit and lead to bad karma for Suge and Pac.  Suge not leaving creative control with Dre and causing Dre to leave Death Row was Suge's fatal flaw...

...I love Suge and especially 2pac, but the way they handled the Dre situation I will never agree with.  And that Sam Sneed video was fucking dope, he was showing love to Pittsburgh since he's from there.  You can't be hollerin Death Row/ West Coast/ Bad Boy Killer in every single video or it's going to get played out.  Dre always tried to be innovative and never allowed himself to get played out.  The video was fresh and nobody can hate on it in their right mind.

...also, btw, the way Suge played the video it's like nobody ever saw it... but that shit was on Murder Was The Case, so wasn't that video kind of old by 96'?

isnīt that video (believed to be "hollywood squares") unleaked?unseen?what are you talking about?

why OFTB wanted hurt beat down?reason?

is dre really gay?

they though that Hurt was makin beats only for 2Pac

[Okka]

I think the video was "Lady Heroin".

[DeeezNuuuts83]

Clearly Sam Sneed was bullied into saying Dre was gay.  The whole episode was bullshit and lead to bad karma for Suge and Pac.  Suge not leaving creative control with Dre and causing Dre to leave Death Row was Suge's fatal flaw...

...I love Suge and especially 2pac, but the way they handled the Dre situation I will never agree with.  And that Sam Sneed video was fucking dope, he was showing love to Pittsburgh since he's from there.  You can't be hollerin Death Row/ West Coast/ Bad Boy Killer in every single video or it's going to get played out.  Dre always tried to be innovative and never allowed himself to get played out.  The video was fresh and nobody can hate on it in their right mind.

...also, btw, the way Suge played the video it's like nobody ever saw it... but that shit was on Murder Was The Case, so wasn't that video kind of old by 96'?

isnīt that video (believed to be "hollywood squares") unleaked?unseen?what are you talking about?

why OFTB wanted hurt beat down?reason?

is dre really gay?

they though that Hurt was makin beats only for 2Pac

Also, OFTB was likely just getting really frustrated, as I bet they were probably expecting to have been given an album release date by that time.  They were smart enough to not hate on Pac and just take it out on producers -- remember that they've been interviewed and talked about how Suge pretty much focused on Pac more than anyone else, but they knew better than to blame Suge and call him out on his preferences while on Death Row.  And it was probably even more frustrating since they were part of the entourage that was putting in work and throwing down for the crew.

[djbeto]

^^ i totally agree with u.

[Eric - Dubcnn.com]

I think the video was "Lady Heroin".

Ding, ding, ding!

[Jimmy H.]

After hearing a lot of these stories from producers, engineers, and so forth, it's easy to see why Death Row kind of fell apart.  I can't see the logic in encouraging artists to assault, fight, or punk out the production team.  No wonder Dre bounced from there.

[DeeezNuuuts83]

After hearing a lot of these stories from producers, engineers, and so forth, it's easy to see why Death Row kind of fell apart.  I can't see the logic in encouraging artists to assault, fight, or punk out the production team.  No wonder Dre bounced from there.

That wasn't why it fell apart, if you're talking about what started its downfall.  Those things may have slowed down creativity and artistry in some respects, but come on... it was DEATH ROW.  It's no secret that it started out hood from jump and was going to be that way.  It doesn't mean that ass whoopings should be tolerated, but it can't really come as a surprise.

Additionally, while Suge seemed to have a short fuse, it never really seemed like anyone got disciplined just because the guys felt like kicking someone's ass.  Generally speaking, someone probably did something wrong or at least against Suge's wishes.  Most incidents that we're aware of generally involved some reason for them pissing someone else off.  Whether an ass kicking was justified or not, somebody screwed up.

Yes, some engineers got slapped around for rewinding the tape too far.  I don't think it's cool, but they did screw up... and eventually we found out that artists and/or producers didn't always label everything on the DATs, so there's speculation that the engineers may possibly have recorded over existing material.  I could understand why a street dude-turned-artist might flip out at that.

Yes, Sneed got beat up for putting East Coast artists in his video.  Not cool either, but it was the wrong time to be putting them on like that, regardless of whether or not Suge was providing a budget for your music video.

Some people had described Death Row as being like a fraternity house.  It was, in the good ways (partying) but also the bad ways (hazing, but much more extreme).  In both scenarios, you kind of know what you're getting yourself into.  A fraternity will be fun... good times, alcohol, partying, girls, social status, etc.  But you may have to do some shit you don't want to do, and you'd better not piss off any of the older members, otherwise you're going to have a long night.  Death Row was the hood version of that.  It was going to be the shit if you were a real artist, getting access to some of the best equipment and the top producers and rappers on the West Coast while being with THE label at the time, not just selling records but also basically getting instant street cred just off the strength of being down with them.  But again, you're going to be expected to put in work not just in the studio but when shit goes down outside of the studio too.  And if you fall short of expectations, you're going to regret it.

But it's rarely the stars who complained about the ass kickings.  Look at the legends.  Yeah, Pac died, and the money situation was odd, but you never heard about him getting beat up.  I don't think they ever put their hands on Dre, and the threats toward him didn't really come about until he was already off the label.  Him getting punched at the American Music Awards (if that's the right one) wasn't until what... 2003 or 2004?  There may have been a story about Snoop, Daz and Kurupt maybe having been slapped once, but while on the label, they held enough weight and at least had solid guys behind them like Big C-Style, Tray Deee, etc.  Plus you don't hear them crying about bad times on the label, at least not from personal experience.

[heyyou]

I have to respectfully disagree with you deeeznuuuts.
The impression I get in the early days during the chronic and doggystyle days, is that they partyed hard and got in to some alterations but it didn't seem it was in-house on each other.
Something then changed when suge believed his own hype and acted like a mafia Don. He was signing people to the label that shouldnt have been signed, allowing shady people to be in the studio that shouldn't have been there etc - the whole working atmosphere changed and effected the creativity.

When engineers etc are getting beat down for rewinding the tapes too far, there's no justification for that whatsoever.
People getting slapped or beat down like Sam Sneed was pathetic.
That isn't nurturing talent! Sure you may get results using fear for so long but it always ends up failing.

The culture suge created and allowed was the downfall. He became the biggest star on the label at the end and that's what's stopping him to make a success of a label. It simply stopped being about the music by some street guys and running a music label and became a street gang who did some music.

[DeeezNuuuts83]

I would agree with you if they stopped making music... but that last year on Death Row before Suge got locked up led to more music being recorded than in all of Death Row's prior years combined. And a lot of it was dope too.  So the creativity wasn't drained, unless your name was Dre, but his pace was slow to begin with.  Sure, we can talk about how he was a perfectionist, but it's not like Daz's beats in 1995, 1996 and 1997 sounded like rushed pieces of shit.