Did Eazy E play a role in the making of East 99 Eternal?

[TraceOneInfinite]

He was obviously instrumental in making Creepin On A Come Up the breakthrough success that it was.... but that would be pretty remarkable if Bone was suddenly able to do it all on there own without Eazy...

...how big of a role do you think he had in East 99 Eternal considering the quality and standard was all the same as if Eazy was there... or had he already passed by that time and maybe Krayzie Bone, U-Neek, and folks at the label stepped up and took the leadership to get it sounding right?

[Jimmy H.]

.... but that would be pretty remarkable if Bone was suddenly able to do it all on there own without Eazy...
 

I don't really see how it is that remarkable.  They are a talented group of artists.  They had access to great producers.  Eazy-E was certainly a strong business man with a considerable ear for talent but I've never seen him as the magic hand that magically "made" Bone Thugs what they were.

[Sccit]

eazy is not a producer ala dre....bone is good on their own. if anything, bone would help eazy make his shit sound better. u-neek was a great producer in his day and he had the most influence on the sound, much more so than eazy woulda.

[HardWorker]

Bone was living off Eazys legacy

[DeeezNuuuts83]

Bone was living off Eazys legacy

Not really.  Yeah, they shouted out Eazy, said RIP Eazy and made some songs referencing it, but they don't try to sell themselves as Eazy's proteges... unlike Lil E (always talking about his dad, even though he wasn't even rapping when Eazy was still alive anyway, or calling himself the "Prince of Compton") or how the Outlawz (mostly E.D.I.) always refer to themselves as "Makaveli-trained soldiers" and "living legends" and shit like that.

Bone didn't go too extra with it... on E. 1999 Eternal (and some of their following albums), they had the RIP logo (the one with the amount of days Eazy had been alive) and put a couple of images of Eazy on their album (in one of the windows in the building in the background of the cover) and in the crystal ball in the 1st of that Month video and then toward the end of Tha Crossroads, but it was relevant at the time to pay their respects.

As far as his "role," I'm sure he was involved and died during the recording of the album (otherwise there would have been more shout-outs in the music like there was in Tha Crossroads, which was obviously recorded later on), but I don't think he was directing them musically, since their style was so unique (at least compared to a lot of people out there, and definitely unique within the label).  Eazy was probably just thinking about their marketing and what kind of theme they might want to explore for the album, but the group likely had a lot of creative control while Eazy was the label head.  Plus Bone and DJ U-Neek had a lot of chemistry and probably were on the same page as far as what direction the music would take.  But like others have said, Eazy wasn't really much of an actual musician and probably wasn't really helping them craft hits.

Obviously E. 1999 Eternal was their most complete album (and likely their best, by most accounts), but they were still making solid albums.  The Art of War was really good and one of the most anticipated albums that year (aside from Life After Death and Wu-Tang Forever, both sophomore efforts of both), and BTNHResurrection was still good too.

[TraceOneInfinite]

Nice responses, but in Eazy's defense I will say....

-didn't Bone have some local album before Ruthless that was kind of weak?

-I don't know which album U-Neek was referring to but he said Eazy used to come in and listen to the songs tell them to add and take away stuff and that "he knows where Sr. Dre gets it from" meaning Dre learrned a lot from Eazy

-Yes Art Of War was still high quality and standard but unlike Creepin and 99 it had its flaws, and then BTNRessurection is where they kind of fell off.

[JeremyM]

Bone had an album called Faces of Death. They definitely showed talent on there but it was a very small budget release.

I believe Eazy was involved somewhat with E. 1999 Eternal and even recorded a song or two for it--Sleepwalkers was one, which was released on the Collection-Volume One, although the tape had been partially destroyed as someone left it in their car in the heat--true story. That's why there's a weird/out-of-place sound effect at the end of Eazy's verse and after Wish's to end the song.



Eazy definitely deserves credit for steering them toward DJ Uneek, Rhythm D, and Yella for production. And from footage I have seen, he was in the studio with them quite a bit.

[EAZY-LI]

Bone had an album called Faces of Death. They definitely showed talent on there but it was a very small budget release.

I believe Eazy was involved somewhat with E. 1999 Eternal and even recorded a song or two for it--Sleepwalkers was one, which was released on the Collection-Volume One, although the tape had been partially destroyed as someone left it in their car in the heat--true story. That's why there's a weird/out-of-place sound effect at the end of Eazy's verse and after Wish's to end the song.



Eazy definitely deserves credit for steering them toward DJ Uneek, Rhythm D, and Yella for production. And from footage I have seen, he was in the studio with them quite a bit.

he was suppose to be on Mr bill collector

He was obviously instrumental in making Creepin On A Come Up the breakthrough success that it was.... but that would be pretty remarkable if Bone was suddenly able to do it all on there own without Eazy...

...how big of a role do you think he had in East 99 Eternal considering the quality and standard was all the same as if Eazy was there... or had he already passed by that time and maybe Krayzie Bone, U-Neek, and folks at the label stepped up and took the leadership to get it sounding right?

he was alive while they were making the album there is a video on youtube in 94 with eazy and bone are performing in L.A and bone start to rap the O.G version of  down 71 (the get away). eazy use to argue with Dre about how the niggaz4life album should sound so i think eazy always had influence on the albums coming out of his labels. eazy also said him and ren came up with all the song concepts to niggaz4life and Dre and yella just did the music. after eazy died Tamika wright just wanted bone to do crossroad type song's bone never came as hard again after eazy passed.

[DeeezNuuuts83]

-didn't Bone have some local album before Ruthless that was kind of weak?

Yeah, but it was their first recorded studio effort... one that they did independently on a shoestring budget and when a lot of them were still relatively young and unpolished.  It's become quite the collectible... I'm glad I held onto mine.  I think Krayzie's verse from Flow Motion is the same one he rapped to Eazy over the phone.

-I don't know which album U-Neek was referring to but he said Eazy used to come in and listen to the songs tell them to add and take away stuff and that "he knows where Sr. Dre gets it from" meaning Dre learrned a lot from Eazy

Eazy was just picking the songs he liked.  It doesn't take a musical genius to do that.  On this forum alone, there are a million threads about what tracklists they'd have preferred for tons and tons of albums, and a lot of people are right.

-Yes Art Of War was still high quality and standard but unlike Creepin and 99 it had its flaws, and then BTNRessurection is where they kind of fell off.

Creepin on ah Come Up and E. 1999 Eternal still had flaws too.  I agree that BTNHResurrection was where they started to slip, but it still had a lot of good tracks.

after eazy died Tamika wright just wanted bone to do crossroad type song's bone never came as hard again after eazy passed.

Tha Crossroads was a song that they likely made on their own... and yeah, it was pretty mainstream, but the single alone went double platinum and brought them a ton more fans.  I'm not defending Tomika Wright, but she took note of how well people responded to Tha Crossroads and figured, hey, why not make some of these and make a shit ton of money?  Even Bizzy himself cited that money ended up becoming an issue of why they went their separate ways as a group (listen to Bizzy Bone's "Don't Doube Me" where he says some line about "If I ain't making no money, what am I working for" about why he did his own thing).

But even when they went solo, a lot of their careers kind of went that way anyway.  Krayzie had a lot of songs like that on Thug Mentality 1999 (even fucking Mariah Carey, even though it was a different version with more verses) and even more on Thug on da Line.  Heaven'z Movie was pretty good, but by The Gift, it just seemed like he was singing.

[iDontTrip]

Most of the songs off COACU and E99 Eternal are better than the 2 albums released after Eazy died....I'm just sayin 

Bone is to Eazy like snoop is to Dre...they suck without em 

[Sccit]

^art of war, btnhresurrection, heavenz movie, the gift, thug mentality, thug on the line, alpha and omega, t.h.u.g.s all dope post-eazy

[DeeezNuuuts83]

Most of the songs off COACU and E99 Eternal are better than the 2 albums released after Eazy died....I'm just sayin 

Bone is to Eazy like snoop is to Dre...they suck without em 

But it's hard to attribute it solely to Eazy. Plenty of artists lose steam after their first effort or two, whether it's because they're less hungry for a hit or if they've just run out of material and we're past their shelf life.  Look at Wu-Tang... yeah, we love them as a group, but nothing past 36 Chambers or Wu-Tang Forever was anything worth talking about.  Same thing with a lot of their later solo albums.  Even Wu-Tang Forever had a ton of crap filler material.  And this is what most consider the greatest hip-hop group.

[Sccit]

Most of the songs off COACU and E99 Eternal are better than the 2 albums released after Eazy died....I'm just sayin 

Bone is to Eazy like snoop is to Dre...they suck without em 

But it's hard to attribute it solely to Eazy. Plenty of artists lose steam after their first effort or two, whether it's because they're less hungry for a hit or if they've just run out of material and we're past their shelf life.  Look at Wu-Tang... yeah, we love them as a group, but nothing past 36 Chambers or Wu-Tang Forever was anything worth talking about.  Same thing with a lot of their later solo albums.  Even Wu-Tang Forever had a ton of crap filler material.  And this is what most consider the greatest hip-hop group.

u peeped wu's latest?...it's pretty good

[DeeezNuuuts83]

No, but I bought most of the stuff in between and wasn't that impressed... The W and Iron Flag were ehhhh.

[Sccit]

check the new 1, some dope jams on there