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Sccit:

--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on March 23, 2015, 12:02:40 PM ---
--- Quote from: Sccit on March 20, 2015, 01:47:17 PM ---
i mean, the truth is the truth....ur not arguing because u think the 90s bulls were better, ur arguing for the sake of arguing. i'm arguing for the lakers because i'm a LAKER FAN and genuinely believe those 80s laker teams were the greatest assembly of talent on one squad. but your disdain for me goes way beyond your laker fandom, so you're guna sit here and argue til death, til you feel like you can take me out. even if it goes against ur team and even if it goes against conventional knowledge....if i said bulls were better, ud argue for the lakers. it's just who u are and it couldn't be any more obvious.


tell me this, who the fuck on the bulls would stop kareem on those laker squads? because u got michael cooper on mj, u got worthy vs pippen...who u got for magic? for scott? cmon, son. it's too fuckin easy, and your entire M.O is see through.


and if u acknowledge the laker roster is far superior, phil jackson is not Houdini, and pat riley is no slouch....phil jackson vs. pat riley was never fair, because those knicks teams were slightly above average and riley got them to overachieve. if riley was coaching the bulls and phil was coaching the knicks, riley would be the easy victor as well.


and like i said, what the warriors are doing right now in a historically difficult western conference is more impressive than what the bulls did in the regular season back in the 90s...and the nba was NOT more talented back then lmao. maybe players were more SKILLED, but as far as pure talent, athleticism, physical specimens, there was no lebrons or durants or kobes back then...it was mostly second rate stars. and the speed of the game was just much slower overall.


if u dont think the pat riley lakers were laser focused, then u just should end this here....and ur laker card has once again been revoked, btw...PeACe 8)

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I want you to understand something. I've been rooting for the Lakers long before you knew what the sport of basketball is. I have spent years watching the Lakers, and the era we are talking about, I didn't miss a single Laker game. I watched Primeticket for home games and KCAL 9 every road game. I want you to know this, because you think you are such a great Laker fan for arguing the wrong side all for your love of the Purple and Gold. I started to think why you'd be so blind to fact, and then it dawned on me, you never saw the 1995-1996 Bulls. You didn't see them in action.

Fact, Showtime was the greatest collection of talent ever assembled. Also fact, the 1995-1996 Chicago Bulls was the best team I ever saw, including any other Lakers teams and including the Showtime Lakers I saw. When I watched the Showtime Lakers, it looked so easy for them, yet the competition they played also wasn't as good as it was in the 90's. I saw both decades, and the 90's had greater competition. The 1996 Chicago Bulls as a team, fuck Jordan, were as a team dominated the NBA in a way never done before or since. Dominated the best teams on the way to the NBA Finals against the best. They did it better than any other team ever did, and you can't take that away from them.

Let's put it like this. when Jordan bought into a system, it was over for the NBA, because that meant he was willing to be coached. Against the 1987 Lakers, the 1996 Bulls would have found a way to win. That might be the biggest difference I ever saw between the Bulls and any other team. I saw Kobe try to will the Lakers back only to lose, I saw Duncan look defeated as he walked off the court and he knew the Spurs couldn't beat the Lakers, I saw LeBron choke, but I never saw Jordan ever look defeated, I never saw Jordan fail once he was able to win. The Bulls as a team were defined by being the best, and the Bulls would have found a way to win. Jordan would have cover Magic, Kerr on Scott, Pippen on Worthy, Longley on Green and Rodman on Kareem. The Bulls might have been the most unconventional team in terms of covering their position. But at the end of the day, Phil would find match ups to win. That's what he did best. He altered the triangle to fit Jordan. He would have found a way.

And let's not act like the Bulls and Lakers were that far apart in terms of talent. The Lakers won most the match ups, but it's not like Pippen is a scrub, or Rodman is a scrub, or Kerr is a scrub. But if the Bulls are that bad, maybe Jordan is the GOAT over Kobe, since he won more games and more titles with lesser talent?


--- Quote from: Sccit on March 22, 2015, 09:06:22 AM ---
jordan failed plenty of times to even make the finals....and kobe was a western conference champion 7 times, which is 1 more than jordan. so failing in the eastern conference finals is actually worse than failing in the finals. but if you dont know that jordan came into the NBA at the PERFECT time, right when marketing individual players took off, and that stern made jordan like his son, then u just aint knowin bruh....was jordan great? no doubt. but there have been many greats in this game, and if they were drafted in 84 and handed a key to a franchise like the bulls with a coach like phil jackson and a robin like scottie pippen for the duration of their prime, then they too would be held to Godly stature by those who grew up in that era....Dennis Rodman says Magic was the GOAT. Brandon Jennings said earlier this year that Kobe was the GOAT. Michael Cooper said Larry Bird was tougher to defend than Michael Jordan...so if we go based on what players say, we'll have a lot of different answers. but the fact of the matter is, Jordan's stature was elevated by Nike, Gatorade, Space Jam, Wheaties, Stern making him untouchable on the court etc....and that sticks in the sheeples minds. but he is not individually better than any other NBA top-tier great, because as I said, they're all the best at what they do.

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I wouldn't argue Jordan as the GOAT, but I will say that you are trying to hard for this one.

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lol@basing your entire argument on a lie....i definitely watched the 96 bulls. in fact, i was a basketball FANATIC back in elementary, collecting cards and alla that. I remember that season VERY well, because that was the season that Magic returned, and I was hyped as fuck, watchin every last game, all 48 minutes....and lemme tell u, it always came down to a last minute shot with the bulls. it wasnt like they were sweepin teams in the finals and blowin them out. shit was highly competitive. and like i keep sayin, if they went to 6 games on a last second shot against the fuckin jazz, then the showtime lakers woulda SWEPT them. it wouldnt even be close, really. i mean, who the fuck would stop kareem and even magic?? because u have fair match-ups wit jordan and pippen, but no one can stop magic and especially not kareem....but keep arguin just for the sake of argument. i dont think ive ever heard a true laker fan say anything other than the showtime lakers being head-and-shoulders above any other team as the GOAT squad. for fucks sake, u had 2 top 5 players of ALL TIME on the same fuckin squad...and ur fairweather ass is willin to sit here and argue against that, not because u truly believe it, but rather because u wanna continue wit the "sccit killa" legacy....only you couldnt take me out in keystyle, so uve taken it to the sports section. come on, bro. i see u, and i got nothin but love for u, but stop wit the fuckery.

Sccit:
and lmfaosmmmfh@the bulls had greater competition...lets see, 80s celtics/pistons or 90s jazz/sonics, 80s celtics/pistons or 90s jazz/sonics? hmmmmmm???


ur way outa pocket brodie. it's not even funny anymore.

Sccit:

--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on March 23, 2015, 12:02:40 PM --- but I never saw Jordan ever look defeated, I never saw Jordan fail once he was able to win.
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lol so explain the 95 playoffs, where jordan got shitted on by the orlando magic of all teams......yea, uve been brainwashed by marketing/media, just like most of the world LOL. smh@"jordan was never defeated once he figured how to win"....the Bulls were actually better in 94 minus Jordan than they were when he came back. he is the definition of a great player propelled by marketing, and cats like u who are easily swayed, and infinite, who is in love with that era, will never face the truth. it's just sad hearin this fuckery come from ur mouth, considering ur sposta be a laker fan, and it's the consensus amongst laker nation that showtime lakers are unfucwitable.


--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on March 23, 2015, 12:02:40 PM --- maybe Jordan is the GOAT over Kobe, since he won more games and more titles with lesser talent?
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LOL...those teams where Gasol was the second fiddle wouldnt have made the playoffs witout kobe. it's just not even close. 96 bulls minus MJ >>>>>>>> 09 lakers minus kobe, and despite the fact that u like to argue for the sake of argument, i know even u wouldnt be fuckin dumb enough to agrue that one.

M Dogg™:

--- Quote from: Sccit on March 23, 2015, 01:44:27 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on March 23, 2015, 12:02:40 PM ---
--- Quote from: Sccit on March 20, 2015, 01:47:17 PM ---
i mean, the truth is the truth....ur not arguing because u think the 90s bulls were better, ur arguing for the sake of arguing. i'm arguing for the lakers because i'm a LAKER FAN and genuinely believe those 80s laker teams were the greatest assembly of talent on one squad. but your disdain for me goes way beyond your laker fandom, so you're guna sit here and argue til death, til you feel like you can take me out. even if it goes against ur team and even if it goes against conventional knowledge....if i said bulls were better, ud argue for the lakers. it's just who u are and it couldn't be any more obvious.


tell me this, who the fuck on the bulls would stop kareem on those laker squads? because u got michael cooper on mj, u got worthy vs pippen...who u got for magic? for scott? cmon, son. it's too fuckin easy, and your entire M.O is see through.


and if u acknowledge the laker roster is far superior, phil jackson is not Houdini, and pat riley is no slouch....phil jackson vs. pat riley was never fair, because those knicks teams were slightly above average and riley got them to overachieve. if riley was coaching the bulls and phil was coaching the knicks, riley would be the easy victor as well.


and like i said, what the warriors are doing right now in a historically difficult western conference is more impressive than what the bulls did in the regular season back in the 90s...and the nba was NOT more talented back then lmao. maybe players were more SKILLED, but as far as pure talent, athleticism, physical specimens, there was no lebrons or durants or kobes back then...it was mostly second rate stars. and the speed of the game was just much slower overall.


if u dont think the pat riley lakers were laser focused, then u just should end this here....and ur laker card has once again been revoked, btw...PeACe 8)

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I want you to understand something. I've been rooting for the Lakers long before you knew what the sport of basketball is. I have spent years watching the Lakers, and the era we are talking about, I didn't miss a single Laker game. I watched Primeticket for home games and KCAL 9 every road game. I want you to know this, because you think you are such a great Laker fan for arguing the wrong side all for your love of the Purple and Gold. I started to think why you'd be so blind to fact, and then it dawned on me, you never saw the 1995-1996 Bulls. You didn't see them in action.

Fact, Showtime was the greatest collection of talent ever assembled. Also fact, the 1995-1996 Chicago Bulls was the best team I ever saw, including any other Lakers teams and including the Showtime Lakers I saw. When I watched the Showtime Lakers, it looked so easy for them, yet the competition they played also wasn't as good as it was in the 90's. I saw both decades, and the 90's had greater competition. The 1996 Chicago Bulls as a team, fuck Jordan, were as a team dominated the NBA in a way never done before or since. Dominated the best teams on the way to the NBA Finals against the best. They did it better than any other team ever did, and you can't take that away from them.

Let's put it like this. when Jordan bought into a system, it was over for the NBA, because that meant he was willing to be coached. Against the 1987 Lakers, the 1996 Bulls would have found a way to win. That might be the biggest difference I ever saw between the Bulls and any other team. I saw Kobe try to will the Lakers back only to lose, I saw Duncan look defeated as he walked off the court and he knew the Spurs couldn't beat the Lakers, I saw LeBron choke, but I never saw Jordan ever look defeated, I never saw Jordan fail once he was able to win. The Bulls as a team were defined by being the best, and the Bulls would have found a way to win. Jordan would have cover Magic, Kerr on Scott, Pippen on Worthy, Longley on Green and Rodman on Kareem. The Bulls might have been the most unconventional team in terms of covering their position. But at the end of the day, Phil would find match ups to win. That's what he did best. He altered the triangle to fit Jordan. He would have found a way.

And let's not act like the Bulls and Lakers were that far apart in terms of talent. The Lakers won most the match ups, but it's not like Pippen is a scrub, or Rodman is a scrub, or Kerr is a scrub. But if the Bulls are that bad, maybe Jordan is the GOAT over Kobe, since he won more games and more titles with lesser talent?


--- Quote from: Sccit on March 22, 2015, 09:06:22 AM ---
jordan failed plenty of times to even make the finals....and kobe was a western conference champion 7 times, which is 1 more than jordan. so failing in the eastern conference finals is actually worse than failing in the finals. but if you dont know that jordan came into the NBA at the PERFECT time, right when marketing individual players took off, and that stern made jordan like his son, then u just aint knowin bruh....was jordan great? no doubt. but there have been many greats in this game, and if they were drafted in 84 and handed a key to a franchise like the bulls with a coach like phil jackson and a robin like scottie pippen for the duration of their prime, then they too would be held to Godly stature by those who grew up in that era....Dennis Rodman says Magic was the GOAT. Brandon Jennings said earlier this year that Kobe was the GOAT. Michael Cooper said Larry Bird was tougher to defend than Michael Jordan...so if we go based on what players say, we'll have a lot of different answers. but the fact of the matter is, Jordan's stature was elevated by Nike, Gatorade, Space Jam, Wheaties, Stern making him untouchable on the court etc....and that sticks in the sheeples minds. but he is not individually better than any other NBA top-tier great, because as I said, they're all the best at what they do.

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I wouldn't argue Jordan as the GOAT, but I will say that you are trying to hard for this one.

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lol@basing your entire argument on a lie....i definitely watched the 96 bulls. in fact, i was a basketball FANATIC back in elementary, collecting cards and alla that. I remember that season VERY well, because that was the season that Magic returned, and I was hyped as fuck, watchin every last game, all 48 minutes....and lemme tell u, it always came down to a last minute shot with the bulls. it wasnt like they were sweepin teams in the finals and blowin them out. shit was highly competitive. and like i keep sayin, if they went to 6 games on a last second shot against the fuckin jazz, then the showtime lakers woulda SWEPT them. it wouldnt even be close, really. i mean, who the fuck would stop kareem and even magic?? because u have fair match-ups wit jordan and pippen, but no one can stop magic and especially not kareem....but keep arguin just for the sake of argument. i dont think ive ever heard a true laker fan say anything other than the showtime lakers being head-and-shoulders above any other team as the GOAT squad. for fucks sake, u had 2 top 5 players of ALL TIME on the same fuckin squad...and ur fairweather ass is willin to sit here and argue against that, not because u truly believe it, but rather because u wanna continue wit the "sccit killa" legacy....only you couldnt take me out in keystyle, so uve taken it to the sports section. come on, bro. i see u, and i got nothin but love for u, but stop wit the fuckery.

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Oh Sccit, Sccit, Sccit. Here is the thing. I have backed you up so much in your quest for Laker supremacy, when I felt it was needed. Right now I could care less about keystyles, especially because we had to change the rules on voting back then because you had all your friends vote when everyone agreed I won. But that's over 12 years ago, why bother with that, it's almost a fitting part of history because it WAS who you are, and not WHO you are NOW. So really, I could care less about that.

My thing is this. I think you've been out of line here. I think that you grew up with younger Laker fans who are use to being the best all the time. And it's part of the Laker's legacy to be the best. But there was a time when I watched basketball and this wasn't true. And it was in the best period of basketball I ever saw. It was the last time both conferences were good, actually the only time both conferences were good. But since I can list facts and you'll say I'm out of line and a fairweather Laker fan, I'll just argue like you.

90's NBA was better, if you don't know this then you're not a real basketball fan.

The Bulls in the 90's broke a record that will never be broken, are you blind?

Of course Showtime swept teams, the combined record for those teams were 118-128. The Bulls face a combined 149-97. ur way outa pocket brodie.

As I've said over and over again. As a Laker fan, I can give a fuck about having the GOAT player on the Laker roster, the greatest team ever. The Bulls can have the greatest team ever, it took me 15 years to accept that, trust me, it really, really hurt when the Bulls broke that record. It really did. I was praying Jordan would break a leg. My hatred for Jordan was WORST than your hatred for LeBron, and it was heighten because Jordan always won. But at the end of the day, I have learn to accept that maybe the Bulls had the best team, maybe Jordan was the GOAT player (Magic is still my favorite), but the Bulls ain't ever getting close to 16 rings in my lifetime and Jordan is long gone and it's on to the next generation. Fuck arguing for my team on all these stupid arguments when the only argument that matters is...



Since 1996, I ain't ever seen a team win like the Bulls did. It was fucking crazy, against the best. First round against the Heat, which any other year the Heat as the 8th seed would have been dangerous because they only were 8th seed because of injury. They were 1996's version of the Thunder (minus another Durant injury). Next round, the Knicks who were their long time playoff rivalry. Poor Pat Riley. Finally they played the Magic, who beat them the year prior and had Shaq, who no one can stop.

Oh, speaking of Shaq, you ask who can stop Kareem. Kareem in 1987 averaged 17.5ppg, 6.7rpg, with a 56.4% fg. Shaq averaged 26.6ppg, 11rpg, with a 57.3% fg. Not say Shaq was at his best, but 1996 Shaq>>>1987 Kareem. And the Bulls beat that Magic team with Penny at his best, Horace Grant in his prime. And the Bulls swept the Magic. Hell they swept the Heat and only lose one game to the Knicks.

This whole all the series and games were close is Bull....... They struggled the most against the Supersonics, and many said it was a conspiracy to have the Bulls win in Chicago. The Bulls were up 3-1 in Seattle, and basically gave that game 5 to Seattle. But before that, they only lost 1 game in the playoffs. Come on man, you should remember this.

And getting swept was talked about a lot when Shaq left, and some felt that Shaq leaving was good because he always got swept out the playoffs. But yeah.

Come on man, stop making up shit as you go.

M Dogg™:

--- Quote from: Sccit on March 23, 2015, 01:57:33 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on March 23, 2015, 12:02:40 PM --- but I never saw Jordan ever look defeated, I never saw Jordan fail once he was able to win.
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lol so explain the 95 playoffs, where jordan got shitted on by the orlando magic of all teams......yea, uve been brainwashed by marketing/media, just like most of the world LOL. smh@"jordan was never defeated once he figured how to win"....the Bulls were actually better in 94 minus Jordan than they were when he came back. he is the definition of a great player propelled by marketing, and cats like u who are easily swayed, and infinite, who is in love with that era, will never face the truth. it's just sad hearin this fuckery come from ur mouth, considering ur sposta be a laker fan, and it's the consensus amongst laker nation that showtime lakers are unfucwitable.


--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on March 23, 2015, 12:02:40 PM --- maybe Jordan is the GOAT over Kobe, since he won more games and more titles with lesser talent?
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LOL...those teams where Gasol was the second fiddle wouldnt have made the playoffs witout kobe. it's just not even close. 96 bulls minus MJ >>>>>>>> 09 lakers minus kobe, and despite the fact that u like to argue for the sake of argument, i know even u wouldnt be fuckin dumb enough to agrue that one.


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Oh, the Gasol argument I threw in there because you're arguing out both sides your mouth.

The 1996 Bulls are all bums, so they can't possibility beat Showtime, yet the year before they are so good, better without Jordan in fact, and they could have won it all without him. But Kobe still had the worst teammates of all time, so therefore he is the GOAT. You are completely talking out your ass and it's really embarrassing. Come on man, you are better than this.

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