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96-98 Chicago Bulls Appreciation Thread
Hack Wilson - real:
lol @ nik debating the greatness of Bill Russell :laugh:
Sccit:
--- Quote from: Infinite...I'm back, I'm back on March 21, 2015, 04:34:06 AM ---To put the Bulls 72 win season in perspective, it would be like an MLB team winning some 140 games!
...and Sccit, the most ridiculous thing you said in this thread was attributing Jordans greatness to Stern's marketing sense. Jordan was the gold standard. Bird called him God on the basketball court. Have you heard anybody of Birds stature and integrity call Kobe God?
So it was Jordan who was such an impeccable character on and off the court that enabled Stern and Sports writers and marketers and everyone else around the game to be better and have greater success in their jobs and careers. Jordan was a sports writers dream.
The best commercial ever was the "why we believe in heros" commercial that showed Montana (who also never failed in the championship like Lebron, Magic, Kobe) hitting Dwight Clark in the endzone and then Jordan who never ever failed to win on the biggest stage. The Bulls never failed but the Lakers did fail at times in the championship.
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jordan failed plenty of times to even make the finals....and kobe was a western conference champion 7 times, which is 1 more than jordan. so failing in the eastern conference finals is actually worse than failing in the finals. but if you dont know that jordan came into the NBA at the PERFECT time, right when marketing individual players took off, and that stern made jordan like his son, then u just aint knowin bruh....was jordan great? no doubt. but there have been many greats in this game, and if they were drafted in 84 and handed a key to a franchise like the bulls with a coach like phil jackson and a robin like scottie pippen for the duration of their prime, then they too would be held to Godly stature by those who grew up in that era....Dennis Rodman says Magic was the GOAT. Brandon Jennings said earlier this year that Kobe was the GOAT. Michael Cooper said Larry Bird was tougher to defend than Michael Jordan...so if we go based on what players say, we'll have a lot of different answers. but the fact of the matter is, Jordan's stature was elevated by Nike, Gatorade, Space Jam, Wheaties, Stern making him untouchable on the court etc....and that sticks in the sheeples minds. but he is not individually better than any other NBA top-tier great, because as I said, they're all the best at what they do.
M Dogg™:
--- Quote from: Sccit on March 20, 2015, 01:47:17 PM ---
i mean, the truth is the truth....ur not arguing because u think the 90s bulls were better, ur arguing for the sake of arguing. i'm arguing for the lakers because i'm a LAKER FAN and genuinely believe those 80s laker teams were the greatest assembly of talent on one squad. but your disdain for me goes way beyond your laker fandom, so you're guna sit here and argue til death, til you feel like you can take me out. even if it goes against ur team and even if it goes against conventional knowledge....if i said bulls were better, ud argue for the lakers. it's just who u are and it couldn't be any more obvious.
tell me this, who the fuck on the bulls would stop kareem on those laker squads? because u got michael cooper on mj, u got worthy vs pippen...who u got for magic? for scott? cmon, son. it's too fuckin easy, and your entire M.O is see through.
and if u acknowledge the laker roster is far superior, phil jackson is not Houdini, and pat riley is no slouch....phil jackson vs. pat riley was never fair, because those knicks teams were slightly above average and riley got them to overachieve. if riley was coaching the bulls and phil was coaching the knicks, riley would be the easy victor as well.
and like i said, what the warriors are doing right now in a historically difficult western conference is more impressive than what the bulls did in the regular season back in the 90s...and the nba was NOT more talented back then lmao. maybe players were more SKILLED, but as far as pure talent, athleticism, physical specimens, there was no lebrons or durants or kobes back then...it was mostly second rate stars. and the speed of the game was just much slower overall.
if u dont think the pat riley lakers were laser focused, then u just should end this here....and ur laker card has once again been revoked, btw...PeACe 8)
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I want you to understand something. I've been rooting for the Lakers long before you knew what the sport of basketball is. I have spent years watching the Lakers, and the era we are talking about, I didn't miss a single Laker game. I watched Primeticket for home games and KCAL 9 every road game. I want you to know this, because you think you are such a great Laker fan for arguing the wrong side all for your love of the Purple and Gold. I started to think why you'd be so blind to fact, and then it dawned on me, you never saw the 1995-1996 Bulls. You didn't see them in action.
Fact, Showtime was the greatest collection of talent ever assembled. Also fact, the 1995-1996 Chicago Bulls was the best team I ever saw, including any other Lakers teams and including the Showtime Lakers I saw. When I watched the Showtime Lakers, it looked so easy for them, yet the competition they played also wasn't as good as it was in the 90's. I saw both decades, and the 90's had greater competition. The 1996 Chicago Bulls as a team, fuck Jordan, were as a team dominated the NBA in a way never done before or since. Dominated the best teams on the way to the NBA Finals against the best. They did it better than any other team ever did, and you can't take that away from them.
Let's put it like this. when Jordan bought into a system, it was over for the NBA, because that meant he was willing to be coached. Against the 1987 Lakers, the 1996 Bulls would have found a way to win. That might be the biggest difference I ever saw between the Bulls and any other team. I saw Kobe try to will the Lakers back only to lose, I saw Duncan look defeated as he walked off the court and he knew the Spurs couldn't beat the Lakers, I saw LeBron choke, but I never saw Jordan ever look defeated, I never saw Jordan fail once he was able to win. The Bulls as a team were defined by being the best, and the Bulls would have found a way to win. Jordan would have cover Magic, Kerr on Scott, Pippen on Worthy, Longley on Green and Rodman on Kareem. The Bulls might have been the most unconventional team in terms of covering their position. But at the end of the day, Phil would find match ups to win. That's what he did best. He altered the triangle to fit Jordan. He would have found a way.
And let's not act like the Bulls and Lakers were that far apart in terms of talent. The Lakers won most the match ups, but it's not like Pippen is a scrub, or Rodman is a scrub, or Kerr is a scrub. But if the Bulls are that bad, maybe Jordan is the GOAT over Kobe, since he won more games and more titles with lesser talent?
--- Quote from: Sccit on March 22, 2015, 09:06:22 AM ---
jordan failed plenty of times to even make the finals....and kobe was a western conference champion 7 times, which is 1 more than jordan. so failing in the eastern conference finals is actually worse than failing in the finals. but if you dont know that jordan came into the NBA at the PERFECT time, right when marketing individual players took off, and that stern made jordan like his son, then u just aint knowin bruh....was jordan great? no doubt. but there have been many greats in this game, and if they were drafted in 84 and handed a key to a franchise like the bulls with a coach like phil jackson and a robin like scottie pippen for the duration of their prime, then they too would be held to Godly stature by those who grew up in that era....Dennis Rodman says Magic was the GOAT. Brandon Jennings said earlier this year that Kobe was the GOAT. Michael Cooper said Larry Bird was tougher to defend than Michael Jordan...so if we go based on what players say, we'll have a lot of different answers. but the fact of the matter is, Jordan's stature was elevated by Nike, Gatorade, Space Jam, Wheaties, Stern making him untouchable on the court etc....and that sticks in the sheeples minds. but he is not individually better than any other NBA top-tier great, because as I said, they're all the best at what they do.
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I wouldn't argue Jordan as the GOAT, but I will say that you are trying to hard for this one.
Hack Wilson - real:
Showtime Lakers were so scared of the 85-86 Celtics they lost to Houston to avoid playing them :laugh:
M Dogg™:
--- Quote from: Hack Brodenheimer on March 23, 2015, 12:39:33 PM ---Showtime Lakers were so scared of the 85-86 Celtics they lost to Houston to avoid playing them :laugh:
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA....
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