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abusive:
It don't matter what the average Muslim does if their source says something else. The video doesn't bypass the quran, it shows it every step of the way. We could bypass ever evil act done in the name of islam and just use the quran and this video would still be on point. All of this why don't they show other religions talk, why don't you set up the thread and post a video showing from the bible where it tells its readers to war with unbelievers and things like that. The truth is you won't be able to because it doesn't say that but the quran does. The old testament scripture that the guy above you posted isn't what we are to follow the new testament is.

V2DHeart:
Sorry to break it to you kid, but the bible is one of the most violent books there is quoting all kinds of violence.

Samuel 15:3,8
Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys

I won't waste my time quoting any more, but it promotes rape and murder IF you read it. Like any complex religious book it can be exploited and used as an excuse.

Hitler was an orthodox Christian, and believed to be behind the genocide of millions. The KKK were Christians. That Norway shooter that shot and killed a lot of children a few years back was a Christian. Are we going to jump to brandishing Christianity as a religion of mass murderous psychopaths? Of course not. It appears you have fallen for the propaganda hook, line and sinker.

There are over 1 billion Muslims in the world. If it really did promote murder, death and terror, we'd all be dead

V2DHeart:
One more quote:

Hosea 13:16
Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open.

This vile verse does not come from the Qur'an, but from the bible. One of many!

A paid militia group can go around ripping pregnant women open, it does not make Christianity evil, it makes the men who carry out such acts and misuse the religion as an excuse, evil! Blame the man behind his actions, not the religion he wants to hide behind. a small minority should not represent all. That's like saying all black people are rappers. It's very narrow minded

7even:
^Well nigga, ain't no Christians running around ripping women's stomachs open in the name of the Lord now, do they? Muslims do.

One huge indication that there is an undenyable correlation is the way normal, "good" muslims react to those Paris attacks for example.
I've been in many awkward situations around muslims after those attacks. Why, you ask? Because muslims feel hated on if you say anything bad about what happened as if that would equal you dissing them or Islam.
It devides the regular everyday citizen people from each other that way, which is part of the ISIS agenda. Civil war in the west would be the ultimate outcome, should they succeed.

Ain't no Christian getting mad if you diss the Brevik guy. Ain't no white guy getting mad if you diss some kind of neo-nazi terrorist. But regular muslims get uncomfortable if you diss Paris' terrorists. Go figure.
Don't believe me? After the next Islamic terror attacks on European soil, go around regular muslims, dissing the terrorists and expressi how you feel uneasy going out on the street celebrating your freedom. They will probably be offended.
Then diss some neo-nazis in front of regular white guys the same way. They won't be offended.

bouli77:

--- Quote from: 7even on December 02, 2015, 03:16:09 PM ---^Well nigga, ain't no Christians running around ripping women's stomachs open in the name of the Lord now, do they? Muslims do.

One huge indication that there is an undenyable correlation is the way normal, "good" muslims react to those Paris attacks for example.
I've been in many awkward situations around muslims after those attacks. Why, you ask? Because muslims feel hated on if you say anything bad about what happened as if that would equal you dissing them or Islam.
It devides the regular people from each other that way, which is part is ISIS agenda.

Ain't no Christian getting mad if you diss the Brevik. Ain't no white guy getting mad if you diss some kind of neo-nazi terrorist. But regular muslims get uncomfortable if you diss Paris' terrorists. Go figure.
Don't believe me? After the next Islamic terror attacks on European soil, go around regular muslims, dissing the terrorists and expressi how you feel uneasy going out on the street celebrating your freedom. They will probably be offended.
Then diss some neo-nazis in front of regular white guys the same way. They won't be offended.

--- End quote ---

Well I don't know the type of individuals you have to deal with on a daily basis but my muslim friends, my muslim co-workers and my muslim pupils were unequivocally shocked and horrified by the attacks... maybe because actual Muslims (as opposed to terrorists, who are not real muslims and who do not represent Islam) were also killed in the attacks and also because they knew someone who knew someone who got killed or experienced the attacks whether in the stadium or in the street of Paris.

Your comparison with Brevik isn't really relevant. Muslims feel uneasy not about the attacks but about the stigma that they encounter on a daily basis out here. Being unjustly discriminated against, stereotyped, disrespected on a daily basis by incompetent and biased media, employers, the police and targeted by a portion of the population creates frustration and uneasiness, which serves as fuel for ISIS to spread and incept their hateful propaganda on the weak minded and the lost, hopeless individuals of society. If you read on those who participated in the attacks, you'll find out that they were not pious and spiritual believers, but instead petty criminals convicted for selling weed and other petty crimes / offenses with no future, others were pretty common youth, clubbing, drinking hard liquor and partying again with no stable situation and promising future and mentally unstable young people who couldn't fit into society. What you have to realize is that most of these dudes going to Syria and shit aren't arabs in the first place, more than half are actually White converts who are so lost  that they get easily lured into what they believe is religion but is in reality propaganda. ISIS is very good at targeting European born locals whether of Arab descent or not and brainwash them into thinking like them. They use basic anti-western / conspirationist propaganda (i.e. your country hates Muslims / your country is run by Jews / your country is paying for their sins in the Arab world etc.). And your reaction, basically stigmatising and generalising the reactions of a few to an entire community, is actually what they use to convince feeble individuals that they cause is just, like "look, they don't love you in your own country and they doubt you, you should act as a real muslim and join us and fight these non-believers"


I compiled a lot of the reactions after the attacks (through social media, newspaper websites, various biased websites from all sides of the spectrum (right wing, conspirationist friendly, leftist), to get a spectrum and a rough estimate of what was the general feeling among the French population, Muslims included. And here's what I got, more or less :

90% were sympathetic to the victims families
20% were hateful or revengeful (shit happens all the time in Palestine, no one mourns them, the French pay for their colonial and neo-colonial past, etc.), some of them still sympathetic to the victims' families but very critical of the government

65% were horrified and emotional, and didn't understand why atrocities like that happened and more or less didn't accept any type of debate about what happened
35% more or less think something wasn't right, that it's a sort of false flag operation which happened, believe ISIS were funded by the US and other countries belonging to the G-20 and that this is a good way to get people to accept and even request securitarian and privacy invading policies (ala Patriot Act) and justify more interventionism in the region

30% lamented the selective indignation of the western world, with the world media going batshit crazy for a few weeks when similar terrorist attacks had taken place (and have taken place since) in countries like Kenya, Nigeria, the Lebanon, etc., with an altogether different reaction, some of them still sympathetic to the victims' families.

20% blamed this on our government, waging unnecessary and illegitimate wars, not doing enough on home soil to contain the terrorist threats (which are real and will happen again, let's face it) and not tackling the real issue at hand, which isn't as much a Religious one as it is an economic and identity crisis : the recession we are facing and the ever growing social issues (unemployment, lack of structure and education, ghettoisation, lack of self esteem and guidance) is what precipitate most of these people in the arms of ISIS.

10% took it out on Muslims in general
a vast majority warned not to mistake ISIS with actual Muslims.

these shares obviously overlap each other.

as for the Muslims I know, I'd say a lot of them were among the 30% who lamented the selective indignation of the western world since obviously they are pro-Palestine, but a non-negligeable share were equally horrified by the attacks. I find despicable though that some of them are somehow forced to condemn the attacks more strongly than non-Muslims, as if they had to answer for the atrocities of a crazy few.

what do I think about all this ?

Well I was horrified, obviously. I know a person who died, I was supposed to be at a theatre 10 minutes away from one of the attacks, and I happen to go quite often in some of the areas targeted. I also know to separate reason from emotions and I tend to think we're paying for our politicians' cowardice, incompetence, and stupidity. But my ideas are not fixed on a lot of subjects and I'm always open to contradicting views and debate, I think we need to face the grave reality and put everything on the table. I regret the fact that some things can't be said. I think that's precisely the use of a debate. creating taboos is what creates uneasiness.

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