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Fraxxx:
--- Quote from: 7even on December 03, 2015, 12:18:17 PM ---And yes, it is true that the smarter people amoungst the ISIS guys are consciously targeting that phenomenon.
The pattern is:
1.) Muslim terrorists do fucked up shit.
2.) Whites in the west get mad about it.
3.) Muslims in the west get mad about those white for getting mad at it.
4.) Whites get mad at those Muslims for being like that.
5.) Muslims get even angrier and join ISIS or at least become more radical.
6.) Civil war tendencies grow.
--- End quote ---
Do you really think THAT is the starting point of the pattern? With all respect, but that seems like a pretty narrow and comfortable perspective. I mean, you remember the time before Muslim equaled terrorist in the public eye, no?
And I can't stand Islam, even less than Judaism or Christianity. Still, how could you start that pattern with "Muslim terrorists do fucked up shit" without ANY context?
I'm not sure if you're as impartial as you think.
abusive:
--- Quote from: Fraxxx on December 03, 2015, 05:45:18 PM ---
--- Quote from: 7even on December 03, 2015, 12:18:17 PM ---And yes, it is true that the smarter people amoungst the ISIS guys are consciously targeting that phenomenon.
The pattern is:
1.) Muslim terrorists do fucked up shit.
2.) Whites in the west get mad about it.
3.) Muslims in the west get mad about those white for getting mad at it.
4.) Whites get mad at those Muslims for being like that.
5.) Muslims get even angrier and join ISIS or at least become more radical.
6.) Civil war tendencies grow.
--- End quote ---
Do you really think THAT is the starting point of the pattern? With all respect, but that seems like a pretty narrow and comfortable perspective. I mean, you remember the time before Muslim equaled terrorist in the public eye, no?
And I can't stand Islam, even less than Judaism or Christianity. Still, how could you start that pattern with "Muslim terrorists do fucked up shit" without ANY context?
I'm not sure if you're as impartial as you think.
--- End quote ---
Are you implying that these acts of Jihad (let's call it what it really is) are some how justifiable because of wrongs that may have been done to them?
Fraxxx:
--- Quote from: abusive on December 03, 2015, 06:38:54 PM ---
--- Quote from: Fraxxx on December 03, 2015, 05:45:18 PM ---
--- Quote from: 7even on December 03, 2015, 12:18:17 PM ---And yes, it is true that the smarter people amoungst the ISIS guys are consciously targeting that phenomenon.
The pattern is:
1.) Muslim terrorists do fucked up shit.
2.) Whites in the west get mad about it.
3.) Muslims in the west get mad about those white for getting mad at it.
4.) Whites get mad at those Muslims for being like that.
5.) Muslims get even angrier and join ISIS or at least become more radical.
6.) Civil war tendencies grow.
--- End quote ---
Do you really think THAT is the starting point of the pattern? With all respect, but that seems like a pretty narrow and comfortable perspective. I mean, you remember the time before Muslim equaled terrorist in the public eye, no?
And I can't stand Islam, even less than Judaism or Christianity. Still, how could you start that pattern with "Muslim terrorists do fucked up shit" without ANY context?
I'm not sure if you're as impartial as you think.
--- End quote ---
Are you implying that these acts of Jihad (let's call it what it really is) are some how justifiable because of wrongs that may have been done to them?
--- End quote ---
No, not justifiable, explainable.
Muslim youths born in western countries join ISIS not because Muslim terrorists do fucked up shit. Civil war tendencies aren't growing because Muslim terrorists do fucked up shit.
Like I said, to me that's a narrow and comfortable perspective.
7even:
--- Quote from: Fraxxx on December 04, 2015, 01:50:44 AM ---
--- Quote from: abusive on December 03, 2015, 06:38:54 PM ---
--- Quote from: Fraxxx on December 03, 2015, 05:45:18 PM ---
--- Quote from: 7even on December 03, 2015, 12:18:17 PM ---And yes, it is true that the smarter people amoungst the ISIS guys are consciously targeting that phenomenon.
The pattern is:
1.) Muslim terrorists do fucked up shit.
2.) Whites in the west get mad about it.
3.) Muslims in the west get mad about those white for getting mad at it.
4.) Whites get mad at those Muslims for being like that.
5.) Muslims get even angrier and join ISIS or at least become more radical.
6.) Civil war tendencies grow.
--- End quote ---
Do you really think THAT is the starting point of the pattern? With all respect, but that seems like a pretty narrow and comfortable perspective. I mean, you remember the time before Muslim equaled terrorist in the public eye, no?
And I can't stand Islam, even less than Judaism or Christianity. Still, how could you start that pattern with "Muslim terrorists do fucked up shit" without ANY context?
I'm not sure if you're as impartial as you think.
--- End quote ---
Are you implying that these acts of Jihad (let's call it what it really is) are some how justifiable because of wrongs that may have been done to them?
--- End quote ---
No, not justifiable, explainable.
Muslim youths born in western countries join ISIS not because Muslim terrorists do fucked up shit. Civil war tendencies aren't growing because Muslim terrorists do fucked up shit.
Like I said, to me that's a narrow and comfortable perspective.
--- End quote ---
I was referring to the elaborate ISIS strategy. They sacrifice valuable suicide killers in order to create hate within the various kinds of people living in the west (whites, muslims, white leftists, white right-wingers etc.).
They know that a lot of Muslims live in countries like France, Belgium, England, the Netherlands or Germany.
As nuts as it sounds, but an adult girl I know is not allowed to travel during these Christmas holidays, because her parents literally fear for her safety. ISIS wins.
bouli77:
--- Quote from: 7even on December 03, 2015, 12:18:17 PM ---I am not from France, but I have heard that some kids in French schools didn't want to sympathize with Charlie Hebdo and basically got told by their parents that those disrespectful journalists got what they deserved. How old are your schoolkids?
--- End quote ---
That happened, I didn't witness it in the middle high school (age 11-15) where I teach at but I've heard stories from people who did witness it firsthand. It's not surprising though because most Muslims resented Charlie Hebdo's caricatures. I mean Charlie Hebdo is a very satirical magazine with dark humor which can be hard to take. So a lot of people, while not condoning the killings (obviously), didn't want to honor them. They constantly made fun of tragedies which are hard to make fun of (refugees, war, etc.). A lot of people who sympathized with their deaths didn't even know who they were before (especially middle schoolers who wouldn't know about such magazines except for those coming from a more "literate" and politicized background) and once they became aware of their type of humor were kinda shocked. And knowing their kind of humour, as I said, it's not surprising. Some paid homage to the terrorists on social media though which is something different and some got some serious jail time for that but I'm pretty sure most who didn't support Charlie Hebdo were shocked by the death of innocent civilians. I don't want to justify the terrorists' doings, quite the contrary actually. But they know that by doing that type of humor, you're pissing a lot of people off and you're bound to be exposed to fanatics, especially in this day and age.
--- Quote from: 7even on December 03, 2015, 12:18:17 PM ---After Charlie Hebdo, many Muslims I know insisted that it's a conspiracy and that the killer were not even Muslim (not in the sense that killing isn't real Islam, but in the sense that those were Mossad or CIA agents or whatever French equivalent you have) and stuff like that.
Just something very non-aggressive like claiming that such attacks might happen again would make them uneasy and opposed to me.
--- End quote ---
Conspiracy theorists are at an all time high out here, in the wake of all the talks about the illuminati, the Israel-Palestine conflict, etc. While some of these theories are interesting and have a basis which makes sense, people don't pay attention, don't do proper research and are to lazy to have some real intellectual discipline. Instead they follow blindly the first thing which merely resembles a credible conspiracy and are convinced almost instantly that it's a conspiracy theory for sure. Again I'm not saying it's not some sort of false flag operation, but the elements I was presented with were not convincing enough. Some things are disturbing, though (how he killed the cop with no blood, the passport found in the car, the Hyper Casher grocery store sold a month before, just like Bataclan...) I'd say it's more of a middle / lower class things than a Muslim trend. People who believe in conspiracy theorists are usually people not fucking with the country's politics, disillusioned (for a reason) and frustrated (again, for a reason).
--- Quote ---After Bataclan, Muslims I know tried to cover up their awkward uneasiness by making stupid jokes like "I'm gonna come in with a Kalashnikov and kill you guys, or better yet get a belt and blow this place up like they did in Paris".
Now, the Muslims I know are vastly inferior in intellect compared to you or me, and I do not intend to imply that smart muslims would act that way, just saying that people can be stupid in general and that is what simply actually happened (I am not making anything up here.)
--- End quote ---
people are stupid, i see it everyday through pupils, parents, co-workers, friends and acquaintances, on social media or not. they'll be manipulable in one way or the other, they'll be the most vindicative and politically active in talk or through their posts (also the most learned geopoliticians), trying to lecture you on how you're a sheep but yet they'll be the first to broadcast information and facts which they haven't taken time to try to understand, or verify.
--- Quote from: 7even on December 03, 2015, 12:18:17 PM ---They aren't aggressive, though. But it is very blatant that they are deeply uneasy after such attacks and feel offended by anyone mentioning it in a negative light. Why is that? If some white Christian/Atheist German (I am technically an Atheist, but born Roman Catholic) would do some kind of fucked up shit, I wouldn't be offended in the slightest. Like after those NSU murders, people could diss them all they wanted in front of me and I didn't mind, because it is a fact that those niggas were dicks. Yet somehow, if ISIS does some fucked up shit, one has to watch his mouth amoungst regular, non-radical Muslims. Isn't that odd?
--- End quote ---
I think that's because unfortunately in our societies Muslim are already prejudiced and stereotyped. I see it everyday through my Muslim friends and co-workers. They are already associated with terrorists because they're more easily recognizable than Catholics and because some wear beards so people are suspicious.They know in that case they'll even be more harassed and people, especially authorities will have even more license to harass them.
--- Quote from: 7even on December 03, 2015, 12:18:17 PM ---And yes, it is true that the smarter people amoungst the ISIS guys are consciously targeting that phenomenon.
The pattern is:
1.) Muslim terrorists do fucked up shit.
2.) Whites in the west get mad about it.
3.) Muslims in the west get mad about those white for getting mad at it.
4.) Whites get mad at those Muslims for being like that.
5.) Muslims get even angrier and join ISIS or at least become more radical.
6.) Civil war tendencies grow.
--- End quote ---
well it's just not smarter people, it's their ideological leaders, it's actually a strategy which have been theorized and which is still at play here. the other day i've read an ISIS magazine destined for the european youth where they explicitly targeted the concept of school, democracy and secularism.
5.) I think they become more radical, not out of anger towards the "whites" reactions to terrorism, but because of the lack of opportunities for some of them and the lack of stability and guidance in their life. First they're petty criminal, or poor schmucks and they don't have the right people next to them to school them and guide them, second they are lured by people who tell them there's a better life for them outside jerking off and doing nothing, saying that this society is evil and that everybody who abides by it also is, and then it's like a renaissance for them who feel they have some sort of divine and just cause to defend.
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