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Quote from: TidyKris on January 01, 2016, 10:12:49 PMQuote from: abusive on January 01, 2016, 08:45:10 PMI still have never heard it. Matter of fact I was done after Until The End Of Time. I thought it was pretty good but I could tell that there wasn't much they could do with Pac's music after that. They already started getting new producers on some tracks that I wasn't thrilled about. Em likes to brag that he produced Lose Yourself but most of his tracks back then just weren't good just like his music. You could blame the music on the drugs but he just wasn't a good producer at all then period. I refuse to believe that the decision to get him on board was anything other than business. Dre couldn't have done it because there would have been a even greater backlash because everyone knew that Pac didn't like Dre. I hear you. "Better Days" was the last good 2Pac album...like "Until The End Of Time" it had its good tracks and its bad tracks (mainly down to the remixed versions) but it was pretty decent compared to what we got after"Loyal 2 The Game" is not even worth listening to as it will just get any real 2Pac fan angry when you hear how Em changed some of Pacs words, changed the pitch of his voiceto fit the beats and how bad Em's productions are and how they are not suited to Pac. To me it just sounds like a full album of Pac rapping over different variations of the "Lose Yourself" beat"Pacs Life" is absolute garbage but is worth buying just for the OG Version of "Soon As I Get Home" that is on there"Loyal 2 The Game" was a good business move as it made the album popular on release only because it had Eminems name connected to itbut from a 2Pac stand point they may as well have just cocked over and shit all over the DAT tapes...that was the ultimate sell out albumI had the og soon as I get home on Makavelli number five. Was this version better quality?
Quote from: abusive on January 01, 2016, 08:45:10 PMI still have never heard it. Matter of fact I was done after Until The End Of Time. I thought it was pretty good but I could tell that there wasn't much they could do with Pac's music after that. They already started getting new producers on some tracks that I wasn't thrilled about. Em likes to brag that he produced Lose Yourself but most of his tracks back then just weren't good just like his music. You could blame the music on the drugs but he just wasn't a good producer at all then period. I refuse to believe that the decision to get him on board was anything other than business. Dre couldn't have done it because there would have been a even greater backlash because everyone knew that Pac didn't like Dre. I hear you. "Better Days" was the last good 2Pac album...like "Until The End Of Time" it had its good tracks and its bad tracks (mainly down to the remixed versions) but it was pretty decent compared to what we got after"Loyal 2 The Game" is not even worth listening to as it will just get any real 2Pac fan angry when you hear how Em changed some of Pacs words, changed the pitch of his voiceto fit the beats and how bad Em's productions are and how they are not suited to Pac. To me it just sounds like a full album of Pac rapping over different variations of the "Lose Yourself" beat"Pacs Life" is absolute garbage but is worth buying just for the OG Version of "Soon As I Get Home" that is on there"Loyal 2 The Game" was a good business move as it made the album popular on release only because it had Eminems name connected to itbut from a 2Pac stand point they may as well have just cocked over and shit all over the DAT tapes...that was the ultimate sell out album
I still have never heard it. Matter of fact I was done after Until The End Of Time. I thought it was pretty good but I could tell that there wasn't much they could do with Pac's music after that. They already started getting new producers on some tracks that I wasn't thrilled about. Em likes to brag that he produced Lose Yourself but most of his tracks back then just weren't good just like his music. You could blame the music on the drugs but he just wasn't a good producer at all then period. I refuse to believe that the decision to get him on board was anything other than business. Dre couldn't have done it because there would have been a even greater backlash because everyone knew that Pac didn't like Dre.
Eminem only had mere scraps to work with by the time Loyal to the Game came around. Also consider that Em did the album for free.
Quote from: abusive on January 01, 2016, 08:45:10 PMI still have never heard it. Matter of fact I was done after Until The End Of Time. I thought it was pretty good but I could tell that there wasn't much they could do with Pac's music after that. They already started getting new producers on some tracks that I wasn't thrilled about. Em likes to brag that he produced Lose Yourself but most of his tracks back then just weren't good just like his music. You could blame the music on the drugs but he just wasn't a good producer at all then period. I refuse to believe that the decision to get him on board was anything other than business. Dre couldn't have done it because there would have been a even greater backlash because everyone knew that Pac didn't like Dre. Eminem was actually on fire in terms of production around 2002-2003....he seemed to be learnin the ropes from Dre and even produced a majority of "the Eminem show" which was a classic album. He fell off faster than any produced I can remember and then pretty much gave up doin beats. But at one point, he was amongst the hottest in the game.
Quote from: Sccit on January 02, 2016, 11:18:19 AMQuote from: abusive on January 01, 2016, 08:45:10 PMI still have never heard it. Matter of fact I was done after Until The End Of Time. I thought it was pretty good but I could tell that there wasn't much they could do with Pac's music after that. They already started getting new producers on some tracks that I wasn't thrilled about. Em likes to brag that he produced Lose Yourself but most of his tracks back then just weren't good just like his music. You could blame the music on the drugs but he just wasn't a good producer at all then period. I refuse to believe that the decision to get him on board was anything other than business. Dre couldn't have done it because there would have been a even greater backlash because everyone knew that Pac didn't like Dre. Eminem was actually on fire in terms of production around 2002-2003....he seemed to be learnin the ropes from Dre and even produced a majority of "the Eminem show" which was a classic album. He fell off faster than any produced I can remember and then pretty much gave up doin beats. But at one point, he was amongst the hottest in the game. Their idea of production over there is getting a beat, making changes to it and then getting the production credit.
Eminem was actually on fire in terms of production around 2002-2003....he seemed to be learnin the ropes from Dre and even produced a majority of "the Eminem show" which was a classic album. He fell off faster than any produced I can remember and then pretty much gave up doin beats. But at one point, he was amongst the hottest in the game.
Quote from: Sccit on January 02, 2016, 11:18:19 AMEminem was actually on fire in terms of production around 2002-2003....he seemed to be learnin the ropes from Dre and even produced a majority of "the Eminem show" which was a classic album. He fell off faster than any produced I can remember and then pretty much gave up doin beats. But at one point, he was amongst the hottest in the game. But part of the problem was I think Loyal to the Game came out in 04' which was around the time of Encore and the time Em started falling off. Had he done it when he was still in his prime a year or two earlier he could of made chicken salad out of chicken shit (the scraps he had to work with). The tracks he did for the Pac documentary soundtrack were done closer to his prime and they are superior to his work on Loyal to the Game
Quote from: Infinite Trapped In 1996 on January 03, 2016, 01:09:50 AMQuote from: Sccit on January 02, 2016, 11:18:19 AMEminem was actually on fire in terms of production around 2002-2003....he seemed to be learnin the ropes from Dre and even produced a majority of "the Eminem show" which was a classic album. He fell off faster than any produced I can remember and then pretty much gave up doin beats. But at one point, he was amongst the hottest in the game. But part of the problem was I think Loyal to the Game came out in 04' which was around the time of Encore and the time Em started falling off. Had he done it when he was still in his prime a year or two earlier he could of made chicken salad out of chicken shit (the scraps he had to work with). The tracks he did for the Pac documentary soundtrack were done closer to his prime and they are superior to his work on Loyal to the GameNo i dont agree with that. Em's "productions" all have the same sound, the same feel and the same concept behind them. They would never have suited Pac...ever! The tracks he made for Resurrection were awful too...would sound ok with Em, D12 and all those guys on but never for Pac...all Eminems beats are like marching music. Never suited to Pac'sstyle.Plus i dont get why you keep going on about the "scraps" like that is the only reason the album was bad? Thats got nothing to do with the beats or the fact he pitched up his vocals to fit the beats.If Em was a good producer and not a one style wonder he could have made a dope 2Pac album with whatever they gave him
em had his own sound, no doubt.....but u could say the same about pretty much any other producer. whether they fit pac's style is debatable, but we never really got to heard em at his best producing a pac joint..the closest was "dyin 2 live" which was a moderate hit.
Em uses ghost producers.
Quote from: TidyKris on January 03, 2016, 02:37:52 AMQuote from: Infinite Trapped In 1996 on January 03, 2016, 01:09:50 AMQuote from: Sccit on January 02, 2016, 11:18:19 AMEminem was actually on fire in terms of production around 2002-2003....he seemed to be learnin the ropes from Dre and even produced a majority of "the Eminem show" which was a classic album. He fell off faster than any produced I can remember and then pretty much gave up doin beats. But at one point, he was amongst the hottest in the game. But part of the problem was I think Loyal to the Game came out in 04' which was around the time of Encore and the time Em started falling off. Had he done it when he was still in his prime a year or two earlier he could of made chicken salad out of chicken shit (the scraps he had to work with). The tracks he did for the Pac documentary soundtrack were done closer to his prime and they are superior to his work on Loyal to the GameNo i dont agree with that. Em's "productions" all have the same sound, the same feel and the same concept behind them. They would never have suited Pac...ever! The tracks he made for Resurrection were awful too...would sound ok with Em, D12 and all those guys on but never for Pac...all Eminems beats are like marching music. Never suited to Pac'sstyle.Plus i dont get why you keep going on about the "scraps" like that is the only reason the album was bad? Thats got nothing to do with the beats or the fact he pitched up his vocals to fit the beats.If Em was a good producer and not a one style wonder he could have made a dope 2Pac album with whatever they gave himem had his own sound, no doubt.....but u could say the same about pretty much any other producer. whether they fit pac's style is debatable, but we never really got to heard em at his best producing a pac joint..the closest was "dyin 2 live" which was a moderate hit.
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