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Quote from: abusive on May 01, 2016, 06:43:33 PMI obviously disagree with industry standard. Shout out to Suge and others who wanted to form the music industry union and challenge age old traditions. Not in every situation are musicians told what to play. Regardless of whether they are or not, the point is that they played. I don't see the difference from someone sampling to make a beat. The people who's music is used gets paid. Not once but every time the sampled song makes revenue. Most of the sampled material came from live instrumentation. The Hutch situation was only posted to show that from DR to even Aftermath producers have been making the same allegations. If you want to go back even further you can say Ruthless because Suge has stated in his TMZ interview that they got the practice of taking artist ideas and using it from Ruthless which they applied to DR. Obviously if Dre was the primary music guy in the beginning at Ruthless and DR then this would implicate him as well. People like to blame Suge for the DR credit situation but then question the validity of me posting a situation that happened at Aftermath. My point in posting that has nothing to do with instrumentation either. I can't say that I'm building a case but if something along the lines of this discussion presents itself I will post it regards of the outcry from obsessed fans. Suge is the last credible person, when it comes to every Dr.Dre-related topic bro - c'mon now
I obviously disagree with industry standard. Shout out to Suge and others who wanted to form the music industry union and challenge age old traditions. Not in every situation are musicians told what to play. Regardless of whether they are or not, the point is that they played. I don't see the difference from someone sampling to make a beat. The people who's music is used gets paid. Not once but every time the sampled song makes revenue. Most of the sampled material came from live instrumentation. The Hutch situation was only posted to show that from DR to even Aftermath producers have been making the same allegations. If you want to go back even further you can say Ruthless because Suge has stated in his TMZ interview that they got the practice of taking artist ideas and using it from Ruthless which they applied to DR. Obviously if Dre was the primary music guy in the beginning at Ruthless and DR then this would implicate him as well. People like to blame Suge for the DR credit situation but then question the validity of me posting a situation that happened at Aftermath. My point in posting that has nothing to do with instrumentation either. I can't say that I'm building a case but if something along the lines of this discussion presents itself I will post it regards of the outcry from obsessed fans.
Quote from: abusive on April 30, 2016, 05:34:13 PM I don't hear a completely different beat. If you do then that's cool, I don't. You're lying to yourself if you think a fan of that album wouldn't be able to listen to the original beat and be able to tell what track it is on the album. Furthermore your argument is just silly. If it's completely different beat then why use the skeleton at all? You guys are saying I'm discrediting Dre why you discredit Daz and anyone Dre has worked with. Never said that Dre wasn't the reason the song was finished or anything of that nature.I don't discredit Daz - I'd said he's a great producer in his own right. But he ain't Dr. Dre and his body of work don't compare to that of Dre's - we ain't gonna argue about that one, do we?Quote from: abusive on April 30, 2016, 05:34:13 PMI disagree that the people who make the music aren't producers. That's your point of view, but the truth is - dude who plays bass ain't a producer, he's a session player. Dude, who play keys ain't a producer either - he contribute in one element and that's playing keys. So you can't say he did more to make a finished product sound the way it is that a main producer like Dre, who's puuting all pieces together and usually tells a keyboard player what kind of melody he should play, so you can't put a "=" mark between Dre and let's say a Mark Batson, because they didn't contribute the same effort when it comes to making a finished product.Quote from: abusive on April 30, 2016, 05:34:13 PMDaz may have needed Dre back in '93 but not now. Sorry you think that it's some magnificent feat to get a beat, bring in people who can play the instruments live play, try and find ways to improve and have the finished product professionally mixed and mastered. In some case - yes, it's a magnificent feat because records like "Doggystyle", or "The Chronic" don't come very often. Plus, if it was so easy every top producer in the game would provide hit after hit, and like you can see - almost none of them are capable of doing it and be consistent about it. Same goes with rappers - there's a selected few that can match their best record and Dre's one of them, when it comes to "The Chronic" and "2001". He succeded when most of them failed - Snoop couldn't do it, 50 couldn't do it, even Em had major problems of coming close to MMLP, and all these dudes had access to every top producer, musician, keyboard player in the world. So it ain't as easy, as you think it is bro.Quote from: abusive on April 30, 2016, 05:34:13 PMThis notion that artist who produce on the level of Dre should be on his level but aren't so they must not be as good is silly. If you are in the biz like you say then you should know that talent is only apart of the game. It doesn't get you everywhere. Your right - hard work beats talent, when talent dosen't work hard. That's what separates Dre from others - his work ethic. That's the main reason other talented producers like Mel-Man, Sam Sneed, J-Flexx and others didn't get to that level. They had talent, but they didn't push themselves as hard as Dre did, bottom line. It ain't about being blackballed, or being an "illuminati puppet" - it's about hard work and dedication.Quote from: abusive on April 30, 2016, 05:34:13 PMYou mention the DR credits but ignore the Aftermath suit that Hutch had. I disagree - Dre learned his lesson on Death Row, that's why most Aftermath releases have booklets giving credit to everybody involved. Check out "The Documentary" for example:https://www.discogs.com/The-Game-The-Documentary/release/5830753It says loud and clear who made what - same goes for 50 or Eminem records.
I don't hear a completely different beat. If you do then that's cool, I don't. You're lying to yourself if you think a fan of that album wouldn't be able to listen to the original beat and be able to tell what track it is on the album. Furthermore your argument is just silly. If it's completely different beat then why use the skeleton at all? You guys are saying I'm discrediting Dre why you discredit Daz and anyone Dre has worked with. Never said that Dre wasn't the reason the song was finished or anything of that nature.
I disagree that the people who make the music aren't producers.
Daz may have needed Dre back in '93 but not now. Sorry you think that it's some magnificent feat to get a beat, bring in people who can play the instruments live play, try and find ways to improve and have the finished product professionally mixed and mastered.
This notion that artist who produce on the level of Dre should be on his level but aren't so they must not be as good is silly. If you are in the biz like you say then you should know that talent is only apart of the game. It doesn't get you everywhere.
You mention the DR credits but ignore the Aftermath suit that Hutch had.
bro no one gives a shit, no matter how much you want other people to side wit u, they not guna....i can see this really bothers u, but seriously, u need to fall back. again, we know what u think....and no one cares.
Quote from: Sccit on May 10, 2016, 01:07:44 PMbro no one gives a shit, no matter how much you want other people to side wit u, they not guna....i can see this really bothers u, but seriously, u need to fall back. again, we know what u think....and no one cares.You're dead to me.