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so why does daz name the song the same name as doobies song?
Exactly what I'm saying -- it's not the fact he sampled the same track -- Daz was the lead producer at Death Row when Doobie recorded it and decided to steal the concept and didn't even change the name of the song!
You also seemed to have modified your original story. Before you said, Daz recorded his version at Death Row, stole it, and used it on this album. Now, you're saying Doobie recorded it and Daz stole the concept. I already know you're completely full of shit but for the sake of helping you create a better fake story in another forum, go with the second lie next time. Stealing the concept at least is feasible. Stealing an old track and completely producing it again from scratch and changing the chorus then giving producer credit to somebody else is just pointless, especially when Daz has had no trouble with putting out old Death Row tracks before. So, for the sake of argument, Daz might have heard Doobie's version and decided almost a decade later to jack it but if he did, you wouldn't have any knowledge of. You weren't there. Nobody in the know told you. You didn't read about it or hear about it. You basically created an assumption and are trying to pass it off as being true. You remind me of that Karceno guy who does those fake YouTube videos. You have been a Death Row fan for probably 20 years and have watched and read all kinds of stuff so now you're using that info to create your own fan fiction and impress people who don't enough to spot the bullshit.
Quote from: love33 on February 26, 2017, 10:32:37 PMExactly what I'm saying -- it's not the fact he sampled the same track -- Daz was the lead producer at Death Row when Doobie recorded it and decided to steal the concept and didn't even change the name of the song! The problem is isn't the same track. If Daz stole the track and tweaked it, it would have the same structure in terms of instrumentation (like the Dillinger & Young Gotti songs that he took from Death Row and redid). It doesn't. This is a new instrumental. The beat is livelier and the chorus is completely different. Danny Boy's has a more somber tone, is slower, and the lyrics are closer to The Deele version. The Jagged Edge one is happier and has a repetitive punch to it. Listen to them again. Outside of sampling the same chorus and changing "rain" to "game", none of the lyrics are the same. They aren't sang in the same way. You also seemed to have modified your original story. Before you said, Daz recorded his version at Death Row, stole it, and used it on this album. Now, you're saying Doobie recorded it and Daz stole the concept. I already know you're completely full of shit but for the sake of helping you create a better fake story in another forum, go with the second lie next time. Stealing the concept at least is feasible. Stealing an old track and completely producing it again from scratch and changing the chorus then giving producer credit to somebody else is just pointless, especially when Daz has had no trouble with putting out old Death Row tracks before. So, for the sake of argument, Daz might have heard Doobie's version and decided almost a decade later to jack it but if he did, you wouldn't have any knowledge of. You weren't there. Nobody in the know told you. You didn't read about it or hear about it. You basically created an assumption and are trying to pass it off as being true. You remind me of that Karceno guy who does those fake YouTube videos. You have been a Death Row fan for probably 20 years and have watched and read all kinds of stuff so now you're using that info to create your own fan fiction and impress people who don't enough to spot the bullshit.
Quote from: Jay Wallace on February 27, 2017, 06:23:10 PMQuote from: love33 on February 26, 2017, 10:32:37 PMExactly what I'm saying -- it's not the fact he sampled the same track -- Daz was the lead producer at Death Row when Doobie recorded it and decided to steal the concept and didn't even change the name of the song! The problem is isn't the same track. If Daz stole the track and tweaked it, it would have the same structure in terms of instrumentation (like the Dillinger & Young Gotti songs that he took from Death Row and redid). It doesn't. This is a new instrumental. The beat is livelier and the chorus is completely different. Danny Boy's has a more somber tone, is slower, and the lyrics are closer to The Deele version. The Jagged Edge one is happier and has a repetitive punch to it. Listen to them again. Outside of sampling the same chorus and changing "rain" to "game", none of the lyrics are the same. They aren't sang in the same way. You also seemed to have modified your original story. Before you said, Daz recorded his version at Death Row, stole it, and used it on this album. Now, you're saying Doobie recorded it and Daz stole the concept. I already know you're completely full of shit but for the sake of helping you create a better fake story in another forum, go with the second lie next time. Stealing the concept at least is feasible. Stealing an old track and completely producing it again from scratch and changing the chorus then giving producer credit to somebody else is just pointless, especially when Daz has had no trouble with putting out old Death Row tracks before. So, for the sake of argument, Daz might have heard Doobie's version and decided almost a decade later to jack it but if he did, you wouldn't have any knowledge of. You weren't there. Nobody in the know told you. You didn't read about it or hear about it. You basically created an assumption and are trying to pass it off as being true. You remind me of that Karceno guy who does those fake YouTube videos. You have been a Death Row fan for probably 20 years and have watched and read all kinds of stuff so now you're using that info to create your own fan fiction and impress people who don't enough to spot the bullshit. There's no assumption here --FACT: Daz was the LEAD PRODUCER at Death Row Records when Doobie recorded that track -- Daz had visibility to that track and Death Row recorded multiple versions of the trackFACT: Daz stole multiple albums and tracks -- "RAW" was all Suge's music -- This was no different, it was a lead single on his solo albumOPINION: Yeah, the Daz version is way better! Of course I agree with that -- He took the track and made it better! Jagged Edge sounds clutch on his beat and he flows better than Doobie!FACT: Death Row has a long and large history of this stuff:FACT: Yes, people sample beats, but these are people on the SAME LABEL with almost identical sounds2Pac "Toss It Up" <---> Dr. Dre "No Diggity"Snoop Doggy Dogg "Snoopafella" <------> Top Dogg "Cindafella"Young Doobie "I'm Country" <----> Chocolate Bandit "I'm Country"Tha Dogg Pound "What We Go Through" ft. Warren G, & Bad Azz <----> Warren G ft. Bad Azz & PerfecTha Dogg Pound "I Luv" ft. Scarface & Too Short <-----> Scarface "I Luv" ft. Too Short, Daz, & Trick Daddy OPINION: You don't see Drake, YFN Lucci, Migos, etc. having to re-release or re-record or "tweak the beat" or whatever you want to call it's a hack move for a remake so why not call it a "Remix" instead of marketing it as an original first single, when there's nothing original about re-sampling a track that your label mate already didIn a LONG LONG Line, just to name a few
FACT: Daz was the LEAD PRODUCER at Death Row Records when Doobie recorded that track -- Daz had visibility to that track and Death Row recorded multiple versions of the track
FACT: Yes, people sample beats, but these are people on the SAME LABEL with almost identical sounds.
It's a hack move for a remake so why not call it a "Remix" instead of marketing it as an original first single, when there's nothing original about re-sampling a track that your label mate already did.
The only part of this statement that is actually a FACT. “when Doobie recorded that track.”This is ASSUMPTION. Firstly, how do you know what date this track was recorded? We know Daz and Doobie were on the label at the same time but to say that this track was recorded before he left is assuming. We don’t know the exact date that Daz officially left. We also don’t know how active he was at the studio during the time leading up to his departure. “Daz had visibility to that track.”Firstly, that is terribly grammar. I don’t know what you mean by “having visibility”. I assume you mean he had access to the music but that isn’t the same. Secondly, we don’t know if Daz had access to the track.
Daz was the second in charge after Suge (Suge was the CEO/Owner and Daz was the General Manager) -- Daz's responsibility is to know EVERY single track that floats through that studio -- that's his JOB -- otherwise, what or WHO are they recording for? That's a Cop Out to say he didn't know (if he really didn't, then he was a terrible lead executive producer)
That's like a head football coach saying he didn't know what his guys were doing in practice -- especially since Suge was cutting them checks for recording the material, whether or not it was decided to get released -- Danny Boy said they knew everything that was going on in there -- Doobie was on there, and he was under DAZ -- so unless Daz lost total control and he was negligent or Doobie hid stuff, it falls on him as the LEAD PRODUCER for Death Row.
Next, we do know when Daz left, it was in 2000, there was an article talking about how he took his shit and walked out and said fuck this after they met -- and he got on the 5 and drove north to JT THE BIGGA FIGGA, where he taught him out to produce independent records.
Yes, you've made some great points on how some artists sample the same tracks -- but it's a shit on their game when they do it -- once someone masters that sample, it's like you look like you're chasing from behind -- there's certain tracks that were sampled, and they were done correctly, so why go out there and trash someone else who did it correctly -- it's like when Dennis Rodman said the Bulls went 72-10 and won the championship, they were the first ones to do that shit! The Warriors couldn't duplicate it, they tried, but they fell short -- it's the same concept that Rodman was pointing out -- why go against the people who are original in the Hip Hop industry for some flakes that come up with sour versions?
i.e. When Luniz made "5 on it" and R Kelly & Diddy made "Satisfy You" -- when everyone heard that track, they were thinking of Tha Luniz!
It should also be noted that creatively, he didn’t appear to be the guy overseeing these projects either. He was starting his own sub-label, “Dogg Pound Records” at that time under the Death Row umbrella, which would have been more his work. Him and Big C-Style were over there.
When Dre was lead producer, Death Row started off doing one or two albums a year in-house. When things grew, he started working from his studio at home, the momentum shifted. There was work that wasn’t reaching his ears.
“In 2000” is a vague answer. There are 365 days in a year. The specifics aren’t clear. There was clearly a rift for some time.