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love33:
--- Quote ---And there are several videos/songs/interviews where Tupac is shouting out Dre and Snoop like they are all one big happy family and then come to find out, at the time, most of these were filmed, they didn’t even like each other. Music business is image. Suge wanted to portray his label as being like a family.
Quote from: love33 on April 14, 2017, 12:04:08 AM
Daz helped Realest with his porn video "Because of U Girl" (you prob saw it on Death Row Uncut with all the whores in the video)
Other way around. “Because Of You Girl” is a Dogg Pound song FEATURING Tha Realest.
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Of course MTV talked about "Dogg Pound", they are a multi-platinum act on the label (Suge had Daz signed as a solo artist, and Dogg Pound signed for 2 albums and he owned the name, which is why Daz & Kurupt called their group "DPGC" after Suge outsold them with "2002" -- and Kurupt said he loved both albums (it was right as he re-signed as a SOLO artist) and Daz had left and said the real album is DPGC album and they shared tracks -- which leads me to Doobie -- Daz had material on Realest & Doobie (and they were working together, as you mentioned on that video was actually for the Death Row Dogg Pound "Dogg Shit" album that never got released, Daz released "Dogg Shit" later on the indy label with new tracks) -- If Daz was overseeing Realest and Doobie's material (Realest and Daz recording and Daz coaching/overseeing his projects, and Doobie was Realest's second in line)
Did you ever think they WERE cool with each other, but got pissed off at each other internally like how brother's fight -- Suge Knight is notorious for saying they are a family and they throw down sometimes -- Pac was drunk in the studio a lot of the time, but he was the hardest worker, and he was wild, and some people like Dre didn't want to be on that level when he did music -- You proved the point as I was proving that Daz lies when he says he was never cool, I quoted him saying he was riding with Tha Realest (for some reason, he just resents it now, but you calling it fake is calling Daz a PHONY if that is indeed TRUE, because Pac backed everything he said 100%)
There have always been internal beefs on Death Row -- look at Above The Law vs. Daz as Hutch took his spot and the words exchanged from Hutch towards Daz (notice you don't see much recorded with Hutch & Daz during their short time together before Cold187um replaced Daz) -- look at the Crooked I beef with Daz (they were cool at one time -- "You say you're RAW, naw, I ain't feelin ya?!" -- Crook smashed allover Snoop with diss tracks and on that mixtape which had the streets talking -- Crook said he couldn't even go into Long Beach without watching his back cause that was Snoop's people -- Gail Gotti and Virginya Slim had beef, so did SKG (Suge Knight Girl) and Michelle -- Chocolate Bandit had a nasty beef with Young Doobie & Tha Realest --- Realest was starting a huge beef with Mobb Deep that MTV wrote about and they all threw down at The Source Awards
I never want to see anyone get seriously hurt, but it's very real what happened (and you know rap was different in the 90s/early 2000's into the hollywood beefs it evolved into today -- people got shot at like you mentioned Kurupt's bodyguard, Tha Realest getting shot, etc.) Top Dogg said they watched their back all the time and he had a lot of people in the neighborhood jealous of him because he was on Death Row
Suge would disagree and say EVERYTHING that came out of his label is 100% Authentic -- he would say that today (as Death Row was known for calling other labels out for being fakes) -- Death Row was known as being an AUTHENTIC Gangsta Rap label
love33:
You remember the Death Row "Raw & Uncut" era, this is why MTV and other media outlets were shying away from them and they couldn't get major promotion -- they wanted Suge to grow into a mature label and calculate his moves and pick his spots when he disses --and he tried to fool the media and said he changed his name to "Tha Row" to take out some of the negativity associated with the label in the past and move towards a new positive future and pointed to N.I.N.A. album -- Death Row had dropped the "Death Row Uncut" video, and they smashed allover a lot of artists, and then directions to Jimmy Iovine's house were on the VHS tape before it was edited out on the DVD -- then the label released a preview for "Death Row Too Gangsta for TV Celebrity Beatdowns" and it featured Death Row artists and beating up Keith Closs of the LA Clippers -- then they associated with Boo Ya T.R.I.B.E., Relativez (who smashed allover Snoop), and later signed Spider Loc who sucked as an artist but they used him to diss cats -- then they released the track called "Fuck Hollywood" where they were smashing allover artists and actors, and then the classic "Fuck Dre" track followed where Realest's Last Circle was smashing Dr. Dre -- this is the stuff that the media wanted to go away, and the label wouldn't tone it down and it cost them in the public eye with a lot of lost promotion and even with the name change, they couldn't shake the image
Jay Wallace:
--- Quote from: love33 on April 24, 2017, 12:03:19 AM ---
Did you ever think they WERE cool with each other, but got pissed off at each other internally like how brother's fight?
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That’s entirely possible but there is also the reality that not everything said by entertainers on records and in interviews is true. As many reliable people who were in the studio at the time and working at Death Row will say, Pac and Snoop were not cool privately but publicly, they were still bigging each other up and taking pictures like they were.
It’s difficult to explain to you because you’re a complete mark for Death Row so there will be no convincing you that despite all the stuff said on records, it probably wasn’t all family with everybody.
--- Quote from: love33 on April 24, 2017, 12:25:50 AM ---Suge would disagree and say EVERYTHING that came out of his label is 100% Authentic -- he would say that today (as Death Row was known for calling other labels out for being fakes) -- Death Row was known as being an AUTHENTIC Gangsta Rap label
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Suge is a businessman. He is selling an image and a brand like every other CEO in the entertainment business. There were definitely a lot of serious dudes over at Death Row, including Suge, but “100% authentic gangsta rap” is something he is pushing to sell to naïve cats like you who aren’t bright enough to read between the lines.
If you believe that everything that came out of that label was 100% authentic because Suge said so, how do you account for Suge saying that the guy they put out as their first artist was never a gangster, never from Compton, and didn’t do anything of the things he said on his records. Wouldn’t spending all this money and time promoting this guy as such be a contradiction of the label’s claim of pure authenticity? His numerous interviews talking about how he created the images for all the original artists. Snoop was pretending to be a Blood and was called “Snoop Dooper”? Kurupt was part of a group with two girls? You can’t claim credit for creating street images for all your flagship artists and then say your label is authentic.
And I’m not knocking Suge. I think he’s a genius. He created a brand. He could take Brandy’s little brother from a UPN sitcom, put a Death Row chain on him, and suddenly, Stans like yourself will become overnight fans and spend the next twenty years on message boards talking about unreleased tracks and spending your free time convinced that everybody on this label sends each other Christmas cards and hangs out all the time.
love33:
--- Quote ---There were definitely a lot of serious dudes over at Death Row, including Suge, but “100% authentic gangsta rap” is something he is pushing to sell to naïve cats like you who aren’t bright enough to read between the lines.
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If they weren't authentic, then why did the main artist and CEO get shot at in Las Vegas? Why were they up in the malls beating people up? Why were they recording "beatdown" videos of celebrities? Why were they fighting everyone at The Source Awards?
We haven't to this day seen a label as raw as Tha Row -- The studio freestyles and beatdowns
--- Quote ---If you believe that everything that came out of that label was 100% authentic because Suge said so, how do you account for Suge saying that the guy they put out as their first artist was never a gangster, never from Compton, and didn’t do anything of the things he said on his records.
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The tagline of that whole thing was that Dre was a gangsta and he switched up like Pac said -- Dre was in trouble with the law, slapping women around, and he was repping the Death Row brand in 92 the same way Pac was repping it in 96 -- the main difference is that Dre in 95 after a couple more run-ins with the law, didn't want to be involved in the gangsta stuff anymore, him and Suge were making their money, and the way he saw it, is that he didn't want to stay in the hood, he wanted to move into the suburbs and live the good life (same thing happened to Snoop when he said he feared for his life to the Long Beach newspaper right before Suge sold his contract to Master P) -- Dre was of the mind, "I'm rich now, I'm filthy rich now, why do I want to live in the hood and be around this drama and possibly get shot and throw it all away" -- Where Suge was of the mindset be true to your roots, and I think that was part of the conflict -- that Dre didn't want to be on that "Gangsta" label anymore (which showed in his first Aftermath release, it wasn't really a "Gangsta" record) -- Dre was over beefing with Ice Cube, and it never sat right with him the way Eazy went out and they parted on a sour note
--- Quote ---Snoop was pretending to be a Blood and was called “Snoop Dooper”? Kurupt was part of a group with two girls?
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I read about the "Snooper Dooper" and I didn't know that was originally referring to him as a Blood (maybe Suge said that in hindsight to try to get him in trouble on the streets? Kurupt & Daz seem like the exact same dudes they were on Tha Row, they never really changed, they have always been themselves. He did try to repackage Hammer into a gangsta rapper, but he never released his stuff.
--- Quote ---and spending your free time convinced that everybody on this label sends each other Christmas cards and hangs out all the time.
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Well we know Crook and Tha Realest worked together after they left the label -- Snoop and Dre have reunited from time to time -- and I think Crooked I would work with any of them if they reached out -- Look at how he reached out to Snoop and others -- I don't think Daz has dropped the beef stuff with Crook, even though they recorded for his "Untouchable" album and "Say Hi To Tha Bad Guy"
EFFeX:
Can we put this in the West Coast Classics forum at this point? It's turned into some weird fantasy about the 90's.
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