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The Official Las Vegas Raiders of Oakland Thread
DeeezNuuuts83:
Again, I think it's an age thing. Not saying that you're too young or that you'll understand it in five years, but it's really just different eras.
You said it yourself -- you didn't get into football until much later in life while also confirming that basketball is easier to get into, especially for casual fans. Football tends to be for a more dedicated fan -- not saying that a sport like basketball doesn't have dedicated fans (because they do), but you'll see a different proportion of casual fans. So that's probably why you don't see a shit ton of people rushing to Rams games, as big of a football market as LA is. People were loyal to the teams of yesteryear, more so than whatever team shows up and plants their flag. It would've been a waaaay different story if it had been the Raiders coming back, for reasons M Dogg and I have mentioned.
But it's not totally unheard of for people to root for teams that aren't local, particularly if it's one that is such a powerhouse -- look at the Bulls in the '90s. Yes, I liked the Lakers because they were local (but also my older brother loved them and so did my parents), but I was ALWAYS a Michael Jordan fan, and my family was too. So yeah, we rocked with the Bulls, and so did a lot of other people. It wasn't just Bloods wearing Bulls in the '90s, it was a lot of people, but obviously it was mostly for MJ and not necessarily the Bulls as an organization, but one comes with the other. And it's not like Shaq and/or Kobe didn't have fans in other cities but rocked the Lakers gear.
But that's the thing -- usually that out-of-state love for another team is usually based on that person appreciating a certain player, more so than liking that team over their own based off of the team's merits.
Sccit:
--- Quote from: DeeezNuuuts83 on April 06, 2017, 04:00:06 PM ---Again, I think it's an age thing. Not saying that you're too young or that you'll understand it in five years, but it's really just different eras.
You said it yourself -- you didn't get into football until much later in life while also confirming that basketball is easier to get into, especially for casual fans. Football tends to be for a more dedicated fan -- not saying that a sport like basketball doesn't have dedicated fans (because they do), but you'll see a different proportion of casual fans. So that's probably why you don't see a shit ton of people rushing to Rams games, as big of a football market as LA is. People were loyal to the teams of yesteryear, more so than whatever team shows up and plants their flag. It would've been a waaaay different story if it had been the Raiders coming back, for reasons M Dogg and I have mentioned.
But it's not totally unheard of for people to root for teams that aren't local, particularly if it's one that is such a powerhouse -- look at the Bulls in the '90s. Yes, I liked the Lakers because they were local (but also my older brother loved them and so did my parents), but I was ALWAYS a Michael Jordan fan, and my family was too. So yeah, we rocked with the Bulls, and so did a lot of other people. It wasn't just Bloods wearing Bulls in the '90s, it was a lot of people, but obviously it was mostly for MJ and not necessarily the Bulls as an organization, but one comes with the other. And it's not like Shaq and/or Kobe didn't have fans in other cities but rocked the Lakers gear.
But that's the thing -- usually that out-of-state love for another team is usually based on that person appreciating a certain player, more so than liking that team over their own based off of the team's merits.
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naah, its not an age thing, I'm telling u from my own experience.....if I had a family that was into football, cousins who played football, etc. then I woulda been into the raiders back then instead of the lakers. it just so happens that my grandfather and father were die-hard basketball heads before I was even born, so I followed in their footsteps. on the contrary, my girlfriends little cousins played football from a young age and were football fans from day 1. mdogg made a good point about basketball being more aesthetically pleasing. but still, I wasn't into football based on my surroundings. under different circumstances, I very well coulda been, despite age.
I dont fux wit people who only follow teams cuz they good....like bandwagon laker fans in the 00's, then heat fans in the early 10's, and now cavs/warriors fans. and if u like another man so much to root for a team based on that, I can't get down wit that neither. I like Kobe first and foremost cuz he was a laker. would I respect him if he played for a diff team? sure. but I wouldn't fux wit him like that. thats groupiesque to me.
DeeezNuuuts83:
But it's easy to say that because you never had to see it happen. You never had to see your team move to another city, or your favorite player move to another team. So you have the convenience of not having had to face that dilemma, and it gives you the luxury of being able to say, you were loyal to this team, or you only liked Kobe because he was a Laker, but claim that you wouldn't "fux wit him like that" if he went to another team. We actually had to deal with that.
The reality is that anyone can spin anything to fit their narrative, and anyone can find a counterargument to why someone liking any given team for whatever reason is bogus. Just like how you can say you think it's "groupiesque" to like a team because of a certain player, you could say that liking a team because your older family members did is because you fell in line and didn't make your own decision by picking your own team, almost like going to the same college that all of your family members went to or that all of your friends are going to.
I've never claimed to be a die-hard fan of any NFL team, I just like certain ones but don't pretend to be hardcore into them. But that's why I like college football a little more, and it tends to generate more loyalty among fans. Since it's a school, it's staying put and not going anywhere. Transfers can happen, but players usually don't (unless they're further down the depth chart and want playing time elsewhere but those guys typically aren't generating headlines), so rosters generally don't change too much (or create a reason to sway fans elsewhere). Players will put in their 3+ years, then move onto the next level if they're good enough, then there's new blood.
Just my opinion though. Obviously ours differ but it's all good.
Sccit:
--- Quote from: DeeezNuuuts83 on April 06, 2017, 08:31:41 PM ---But it's easy to say that because you never had to see it happen. You never had to see your team move to another city, or your favorite player move to another team. So you have the convenience of not having had to face that dilemma, and it gives you the luxury of being able to say, you were loyal to this team, or you only liked Kobe because he was a Laker, but claim that you wouldn't "fux wit him like that" if he went to another team. We actually had to deal with that.
The reality is that anyone can spin anything to fit their narrative, and anyone can find a counterargument to why someone liking any given team for whatever reason is bogus. Just like how you can say you think it's "groupiesque" to like a team because of a certain player, you could say that liking a team because your older family members did is because you fell in line and didn't make your own decision by picking your own team, almost like going to the same college that all of your family members went to or that all of your friends are going to.
I've never claimed to be a die-hard fan of any NFL team, I just like certain ones but don't pretend to be hardcore into them. But that's why I like college football a little more, and it tends to generate more loyalty among fans. Since it's a school, it's staying put and not going anywhere. Transfers can happen, but players usually don't (unless they're further down the depth chart and want playing time elsewhere but those guys typically aren't generating headlines), so rosters generally don't change too much (or create a reason to sway fans elsewhere). Players will put in their 3+ years, then move onto the next level if they're good enough, then there's new blood.
Just my opinion though. Obviously ours differ but it's all good.
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nope...I like the lakers because they rep LA. my family liking basketball just helped get me into the sport. I made my own choice, as I coulda been a contrarian like many and rooted against the lakers, or not even liked basketball at all like many of my cousins. it's not comparable to liking players simply because u have a thing for them lmao. thats borderline suspect to me. I mean, u can be a fan of Jordan's game, no doubt, but to be a fan of the bulls just cuz Jordan plays for them is the stuff that fairweathers are made of imo...you can take that how u like, it's just weak to me.
ur right about me never having my team move, thats why I said id deal wit it accordingly if it ever happens when u brought up that hypothetical. but I know for a fact that I would never root for a team based on an individual. to me, that defeats the entire concept of team sports to begin with. not about the name on the back, but rather the name on the front.
good point about college teams not moving cities, but players definitely get replaced quicker than they do in the pros, so its hard to have a continual allegiance to the actual build of a team, as opposed to pro teams, where certain rosters can be about the same give or take for close to a decade...especially in basketball, where all the good players are one and done.
DeeezNuuuts83:
Why you gotta make shit sound gay? Nobody has a "thing" for players, people appreciate athletes for their abilities, even in a team sport. Hence why the sports section regularly engages in top 5/10/20 NBA players of all time, and very rarely do those discussions revolve around what teams those players were on.
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